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Post by Harold Sprott on Oct 4, 2006 8:53:02 GMT
PS Would anyone learned be able to tell me if a machine described as "half-inch J format" would be compatible with Shibaden tapes? Not automatically. The format was meant to allow full compatibility with recordings made on any machine, but in reality this wasn't the case. The commonest working EIAJ-2 open reel recorders surviving now are Sony AV series models and these will NOT play Shibaden tapes. |
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Post by Greg H on Oct 5, 2006 13:23:21 GMT
Good luck with finding something interesting on those tapes Lance! Nothing I can really do to help though unfortunately.
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Post by Andrew Doherty on Oct 5, 2006 17:36:38 GMT
What I was wondering is if any other significant recoveries had ever been made, other than the steptoes, space pirates and moon landings, albeit of course in unplayable condition! Any advances?  Up The Polls was found on such a format, I believe. There's also some other material doing the rounds taken from off-air video recordings between about 1967 and 1969 (Rediffusion / ATV / early Thames continuity, breaks, trailers, chunks of missing programmes etc.) All very watchable quality. Bob Monkhouse also claimed at a MBW event I attended in the '90s that he owned a video recorder and was taping from 1966 onwards. It would be interesting to know (when access to this material is finally agreed) if any of these earliest recordings were kept and still reside in the collection. To Laurence Piper. As far as I am aware, the Bob Monkhouse collection has yet to be examined. Oddly enough, I was sat next to Bob Monkhouse at the 1994 MBW event, and, courtesy of Veronica Taylor, I managed to have a quick word with him. I know he had a recording of 'Off The Record' (possibly reel to reel), which was BBC2 Thirty Minute Theatre production, circa early 1967. Apparently, he had overheard a conversation between two students who had recorded this drama for their media studies. He asked if he could have the recording and their media studies department agreed to let him have the off-air copy. Yours, |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2006 19:09:23 GMT
As far as I am aware, the Bob Monkhouse collection has yet to be examined. Oddly enough, I was sat next to Bob Monkhouse at the 1994 MBW event, and, courtesy of Veronica Taylor, I managed to have a quick word with him. I know he had a recording of 'Off The Record' (possibly reel to reel), which was BBC2 Thirty Minute Theatre production, circa early 1967. Apparently, he had overheard a conversation between two students who had recorded this drama for their media studies. He asked if he could have the recording and their media studies department agreed to let him have the off-air copy. Yours, Thanks for that, Andrew. Very interesting. Personally I reckon there must be at least some missing material in the collection, although it remains to be seen if it can be retrieved if on troublesome formats. Hopefully it can. Mind you, time's a wastin' and these recordings don't improve with age - so I hope they identify and transfer any rare material sooner rather than later! These unique and rare off-air / early video recordings should be regarded as urgently as nitrate film transfer was. |
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Post by LanceM on Oct 5, 2006 20:09:16 GMT
I believe so as well. This collection should be accessed as soon as possible. Due to the previously stated facts that Shibaden and other reel to reel tapes from this age do not get better with age. They can develop sticky Tape syndrome and stick to the VTR heads when a playback is attempted. This can easily destroy video heads on these delicate VTR machines. However there are methods such as tape baking that evaporate any accumulated moisture on the tapes. This is a well known method of preserving tapes of this nature. There is an article by "The Video Ark" who have experience transferring old recovered tapes for organizations such as the BBC and many others. Various transferring companies in the UK would be a possible source for locating more missing material. I am sure these organizations keep records of what was transfered, and for whom. However, due to privacy acts, that are rightly in place, this material may remain lost still. Possibly a plea from some of the television companies to the transfer companies asking for missing material, or info on missing material would go a long way to finding more stuff. I had been churning this thought around for some time now, I doubt that anything will come of it however. There are far too many legal boundaries and issues that would arise in such a venture. Thus this is just a thought, not a proposed course of action, stating this before people try to make rude comments, and state that other peoples initiative is misplaced. So, please bear this in mind when forming a conclusion. I do believe in retrospect that there is still more material left to find on domestically recorded tapes. That being said, I hope this collection can be accessed soon.
Lance.
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Post by h hartley on Oct 8, 2006 19:14:31 GMT
Well you obviously have not read earlier posts,
so for the last time
The Bob Monkhouse collection WAS converted on his behalf to VHS at the time of his diagnosis. There was a small press article at the time, as the company who did it obviusly had to track down obscure machines and coax as much as they could from the aged tapes.
The BM collection is mainly of old films which is of no interest to people here.
The TV appearances on tape are mainly of his guest appearances on varierty shows of the period 1966-1976.
The TV appearances on film are mainly from his 'Mad Movies' series .
He had to buy a print from a collector of his appearance in 'The Flip Side' , which indicates he did not keep his drama appearances.
In his biography he said he thought 'the champions' was childish, so why in heavens name would he want to keep DR WHO?!!
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Post by LanceM on Oct 9, 2006 3:09:39 GMT
Thank you for the information,
However I am aware of the facts concerning the Monkhouse collection. I have come to read information to the contrary. That is all I will say on the subject, as people are probably tired to death repeating the thread a few times. I know I hate doing that, however sometimes we all need to help eachother out a little bit. We are all supposed to be friends here, so why not work together here ? Hopefully everyone agrees.
Lance.
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Post by B Thomas on Oct 9, 2006 11:00:10 GMT
Thank you for the information, However I am aware of the facts concerning the Monkhouse collection. I have come to read information to the contrary. That is all I will say on the subject, as people are probably tired to death repeating the thread a few times. I know I hate doing that, however sometimes we all need to help eachother out a little bit. We are all supposed to be friends here, so why not work together here ? Hopefully everyone agrees. Lance. How about you working with us too, Lance? Others have tried "helping each other out" already - though it seems that some are hell-bent on ignoring that help and interpreting it as a personal attack. |
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Post by Greg H on Oct 10, 2006 11:54:06 GMT
Wow! Its like bevanthomas and h hartley are related or something! They agree on absolutely everything!! Its almost like getting the same opinion from two different angles |
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Post by LanceM on Oct 10, 2006 15:59:45 GMT
Bevan,
I am not exactly sure what you meant in your last post. I did in no way take the previous postings as a attack. I was merely stating that some cooperation could be in order, might make things run a little more smoothly. I am more that willing to help anyone else out that needs help or info, all they have to do is ask. Happy ?
Lance.
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Post by h hartley on Oct 10, 2006 20:50:51 GMT
One day perhaps, Dick Fiddy will enlighten us ?
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Post by Greg H on Oct 11, 2006 12:21:54 GMT
h hartley, please stop going on about dr who!!!
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Post by Andrew Doherty on Oct 11, 2006 15:52:45 GMT
Whatever the truth is about the recovery of the BBC2 Thirty Minute Theatre production, The Flip Side, and it may have slipped into a collector's hands, I am inclined to believe that it was a college media department recording. After all, very few individuals would have had the means to record the kind of quality that the clip I saw, some years back, had. (Remember the programme was broadcast circa January 1967.)
So, at least this early BBC2 drama is in existence within the collection, and if some collector has got another copy, it must be one of those 'only for me to watch' type collectors.
Yours,
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Oct 15, 2006 17:56:44 GMT
Hi All,
Can anyone please tell me what colour a shibaden tape is. I know that's a strange request. We've recently been going through the belongings of my mother-in-law who died earlier this year and several tapes turned up. I can tell by the colour some are just audio, but one tape is different. It's brownish on one side but is kind of pale green on the other.
It is on a 7" spool and is in a white BBC box and has a white BBC sticker on it. The box is marked 'A Trip Round London' or something similar.
She worked for the BBC for years and I would have thought that she had something to do with the production in some capacity.
Any information would be appreciated.
Cheers
Alan
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Post by Frank Wales on Oct 15, 2006 19:10:58 GMT
Alan
First of all what is the width of the tape? quarter inch? /half inch?/one inch?
If its quarter inch its generally just audio tape?
with about one exception . If it is this one exception ( A Japanese name I cant think of at the moment) it will have a shiny chrome look about it compared to standard quarter inch audio tape
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