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Post by RhysH on Aug 25, 2021 14:03:41 GMT
Although he certainly says "we have an idea", he does then go on to talk about the "person who has it". Watching that bit (at 18:50) gave me a strong impression that he does know who has it, but that he's still negotiating with them. There are sort of gaps in the story about how it got lost, like just *how* were they infiltrated, but I'll accept that in the light of the above he's not going to give away too many details. I wish him all the luck. Definitely. I am really grateful for what he and all the other hunters have found so far. It's an amazing story really. Very lucky to have had so much returned to us.
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Post by gbaker on Aug 25, 2021 22:25:52 GMT
OT & a bit pointless & I know I’ve said this before, but I would really like to see The Savages again. I’ve no reason to suspect that it survives, but it is top of my missing Hartnell list for recovery. If you could wish a Hartnell back then that’s the one for me. According to 'Wiped', the last known broadcast of The Savages was Singapore (along with Galaxy 4, Myth Makers, Massacre, Toymaker, Smugglers, Tenth Planet and Power). Other stories broadcast in Singapore were 'bicycled' on. On the basis of 'place of final transmission' theory (as per Enemy and Web in Nigeria) is it too much to hope that some of these episodes may still be there in private hands? Such a person would have been well-heeled to afford a film projector in those days. However, as discussed elsewhere on this thread, episodes seem to survive in ones or twos on the basis that it would be difficult for someone to 'liberate' any more without being spotted (although it's tempting to imagine an avid collector making off with a van-load of salvaged tapes ). Same applies to Zambia (Underwater Menace, Moonbase, Macra, Faceless Ones, Ice Warriors, Space Pirates). Unfortunately, so far I've been unable to locate any film-collector clubs in Singapore, Lusaka or Kitwe .
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Post by John Wall on Aug 25, 2021 22:39:59 GMT
OT & a bit pointless & I know I’ve said this before, but I would really like to see The Savages again. I’ve no reason to suspect that it survives, but it is top of my missing Hartnell list for recovery. If you could wish a Hartnell back then that’s the one for me. According to 'Wiped', the last known broadcast of The Savages was Singapore (along with Galaxy 4, Myth Makers, Massacre, Toymaker, Smugglers, Tenth Planet and Power). Other stories broadcast in Singapore were 'bicycled' on. On the basis of 'place of final transmission' theory (as per Enemy and Web in Nigeria) is it too much to hope that some of these episodes may still be there in private hands? Such a person would have been well-heeled to afford a film projector in those days. However, as discussed elsewhere on this thread, episodes seem to survive in ones or twos on the basis that it would be difficult for someone to 'liberate' any more without being spotted (although it's tempting to imagine an avid collector making off with a van-load of salvaged tapes ). Same applies to Zambia (Underwater Menace, Moonbase, Macra, Faceless Ones, Ice Warriors, Space Pirates). Unfortunately, so far I've been unable to locate any film-collector clubs in Singapore, Lusaka or Kitwe . You get 100% for asking the right question. MEs have escaped destruction where 16mm film collecting is an established hobby. People are only gonna “liberate” things like that if they, or someone they know, is interested.
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Post by Robert Lia on Aug 26, 2021 0:02:51 GMT
Having visited Singapore several times in the 1990's, I can tell you its a small city state, not a very big place at all (compared to say Hong Kong for example). Sadly as the majority of the population is of Chinese or Malay decent. While English is widely used there Chinese and other local languages are also very prevalent. The English speaking community there is not that large over all. I looked in the old quarter and open air bazars as well as going into small shops looking for film prints back then and found no place selling old films.
Its possible some were spirited away across the cause way into Johor Bahru, Malaysia where SBC's Signal could be clearly received but alas the English speaking community is very small, in fact smaller than in Singapore
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Post by John Wall on Aug 26, 2021 9:23:23 GMT
Having visited Singapore several times in the 1990's, I can tell you its a small city state, not a very big place at all (compared to say Hong Kong for example). Sadly as the majority of the population is of Chinese or Malay decent. While English is widely used there Chinese and other local languages are also very prevalent. The English speaking community there is not that large over all. I looked in the old quarter and open air bazars as well as going into small shops looking for film prints back then and found no place selling old films. Its possible some were spirited away across the cause way into Johor Bahru, Malaysia where SBC's Signal could be clearly received but alas the English speaking community is very small, in fact smaller than in Singapore That’s useful - although sad - information.
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Aug 26, 2021 14:05:24 GMT
Overseas embassies would be a thought, assuming stuff from "home" would be sent out to entertain the families etc. When I worked for the COI in the mid-eighties, we held a number of films on 16mm which were sent to British embassies and high commissions around the world. The films were never more than a few years old and were all British or had a strong British element. Some of the titles I remember were Who Dares Wins, Ghandi, Star Wars, Gregory's Girl, Local Hero, Educating Rita, Clockwise and A Room with a View. There were no TV programmes being sent out that I'm aware of.
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Post by gbaker on Aug 27, 2021 21:32:23 GMT
Having visited Singapore several times in the 1990's, I can tell you its a small city state, not a very big place at all (compared to say Hong Kong for example). Sadly as the majority of the population is of Chinese or Malay decent. While English is widely used there Chinese and other local languages are also very prevalent. The English speaking community there is not that large over all. I looked in the old quarter and open air bazars as well as going into small shops looking for film prints back then and found no place selling old films. Its possible some were spirited away across the cause way into Johor Bahru, Malaysia where SBC's Signal could be clearly received but alas the English speaking community is very small, in fact smaller than in Singapore That’s useful - although sad - information. it might not be a bad thing - If I were as rich as Bill Gates I'd organise a leaflet drop (money for old film reels) in parts of Singapore. If Singapore is a small city state with not that big an English speaking community, that would work in my favour when targeting the leaflets. Ah, clutching at straws.............
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Post by John Wall on Aug 27, 2021 23:29:12 GMT
That’s useful - although sad - information. it might not be a bad thing - If I were as rich as Bill Gates I'd organise a leaflet drop (money for old film reels) in parts of Singapore. If Singapore is a small city state with not that big an English speaking community, that would work in my favour when targeting the leaflets. Ah, clutching at straws............. We’re used to clutching at straws here!
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Post by Robert Lia on Aug 28, 2021 0:06:51 GMT
That’s useful - although sad - information. it might not be a bad thing - If I were as rich as Bill Gates I'd organise a leaflet drop (money for old film reels) in parts of Singapore. If Singapore is a small city state with not that big an English speaking community, that would work in my favour when targeting the leaflets. Ah, clutching at straws............. Singapore is a "Fine City" as in fines levied by the local magistrate. They also do caning in Singapore as well as a punishment. Just asked the son of an American diplomat who was arrested back in 1990 for spray painting cars on the street, He did not get off easy being the son of an American diplomat. He got less whacks of the stick but he still got whacked and immediately deported after wards. Yeah drop a cigarettes' butt on the ground, spit out some chewing gum on the ground and the fines are very high. And you cant pay in local currency you have to pay in US Dollars
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Post by gbaker on Aug 28, 2021 7:45:31 GMT
it might not be a bad thing - If I were as rich as Bill Gates I'd organise a leaflet drop (money for old film reels) in parts of Singapore. If Singapore is a small city state with not that big an English speaking community, that would work in my favour when targeting the leaflets. Ah, clutching at straws............. Singapore is a "Fine City" as in fines levied by the local magistrate. They also do caning in Singapore as well as a punishment. Just asked the son of an American diplomat who was arrested back in 1990 for spray painting cars on the street, He did not get off easy being the son of an American diplomat. He got less whacks of the stick but he still got whacked and immediately deported after wards. Yeah drop a cigarettes' butt on the ground, spit out some chewing gum on the ground and the fines are very high. And you cant pay in local currency you have to pay in US Dollars Yes - I also heard that there are security cameras everywhere to instantly detect such misdemeanours. By 'leaflet drop' I meant putting leaflets through peoples letterboxes, preferably via mail to avoid accusations of hawking. I'm sure the authorities would take a VERY dim view of an aircraft scattering leaflets over the city!!
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Post by anthonybartley on Aug 30, 2021 21:25:03 GMT
There is also the point that he may have kept on to it so he could use it as leverage in a trade for another lost episode if the need ever arose.
Just a thought
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Post by John Wall on Aug 30, 2021 21:43:18 GMT
There is also the point that he may have kept on to it so he could use it as leverage in a trade for another lost episode if the need ever arose. Just a thought Who kept what?
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Post by josephsenior on Aug 30, 2021 23:11:29 GMT
There is also the point that he may have kept on to it so he could use it as leverage in a trade for another lost episode if the need ever arose. Just a thought Who kept what? I think he thinks that Phil would keep the missing episode as leverage.
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Post by John Wall on Aug 30, 2021 23:13:17 GMT
I think he thinks that Phil would keep the missing episode as leverage. Which ME as leverage for what?
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Post by barneyhall on Aug 30, 2021 23:41:02 GMT
I think they are suggesting phil keeping web 3 for leverage against any other episode. Personally I don't buy it. Mainly because although I think theres a good chance phil won't hand anything back until he's completed his search I do think he would be in contact with the bbc enough to tell them what he has or hasn't found and if the bbc really thought there was any chance of web 3 showing up any time soon we wouldn't of got that god awful animation they just shat out. I wouldn't be surprised if phil currently has a couple of me's either in his possession or with the ability to get possession but I still think when we hear of any itl be one big anoucment and that'll be it from Mr Morris
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