Richard Develyn
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Post by Richard Develyn on Aug 24, 2021 8:33:54 GMT
There can't have been *many* people who knew of the recovery before everyone else did, and who were therefore able to leap in and grab that one before the rest of them got back to the UK.
(I do think this issue is a bit of a web-covered elephant in the room, BTW)
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Post by andyeves on Aug 24, 2021 11:52:26 GMT
There can't have been *many* people who knew of the recovery before everyone else did, and who were therefore able to leap in and grab that one before the rest of them got back to the UK. (I do think this issue is a bit of a web-covered elephant in the room, BTW) It wasn’t necessarily sold to someone in the know of course, even though Phil seems convinced by this scenario (unless he has some info that strongly points that way). It could be that the station manager had been contacted by a random collector many years earlier, that should he ever come across any BBC tapes (or whatever) then he’d cross his palm with silver. Or he could have used the Internet to research and then to locate & offer it to a collector. On balance and with my limited knowledge of events, this last scenario would seem the most plausible. So I believe it is likely in private hands, more likely with a collector than a fan and Phil doesn’t know who has it. Regardless, I don’t expect that it will emerge in my lifetime.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Aug 24, 2021 11:59:32 GMT
I distinctly remember hearing a story that the reason we lost WoF3 was because Phil told someone about his find. I might be wrong, of course, but I have that strong recollection.
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Post by richardwoods on Aug 24, 2021 12:21:54 GMT
I distinctly remember hearing a story that the reason we lost WoF3 was because Phil told someone about his find. I might be wrong, of course, but I have that strong recollection. Yeah, I remember him saying something similar about miss-placed trust in someone.
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Post by andyeves on Aug 24, 2021 12:29:39 GMT
I distinctly remember hearing a story that the reason we lost WoF3 was because Phil told someone about his find. I might be wrong, of course, but I have that strong recollection. That’s what Phil is convinced of, but I’m not aware that he has anything to back this up. For me, it seems that the main cause was TIEA rather naively drawing attention to these tapes, by moving them to a secure area whilst that geezer was watching. Many years ago (in the pre-DVD era), my lodger used to keep all of his VHS tapes in the lounge. One day after I came home unexpectedly, he took one of them up to his bedroom. After he’d gone out, I located it and it was a home copy of the filthiest, most depraved porn … Had he left it with the other tapes, at least whilst I was present, I would never have thought to check its content. But he drew attention to it, which piqued my curiosity!
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Richard Develyn
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Post by Richard Develyn on Aug 24, 2021 12:56:26 GMT
What do you make of Paul V's statement yesterday that Phil thought getting WoF 3 was just a formality? Doesn't that suggest to you that he does know who has it?
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Post by andyeves on Aug 24, 2021 13:15:45 GMT
What do you make of Paul V's statement yesterday that Phil thought getting WoF 3 was just a formality? Doesn't that suggest to you that he does know who has it? No, it suggests to me that Phil believed he could easily persuade the station manager to hand it over. Note that Paul V and Richard M are both on record as saying that their take on events is different to Phil's, and believe it is more likely that the station manager destroyed it or still has it. Richard also believes that Phil's judgement is clouded by being haunted by the fact that his actions led to its disappearance.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Aug 24, 2021 14:16:10 GMT
That's understandable.
I wonder why Phil won't just come out and say so now? If it is in the station manager's hands, and he has either destroyed it or we have no hope of ever seeing it, why not just tell us what really happened?
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Post by andyeves on Aug 24, 2021 14:24:10 GMT
That's understandable. I wonder why Phil won't just come out and say so now? If it is in the station manager's hands, and he has either destroyed it or we have no hope of ever seeing it, why not just tell us what really happened? I think Phil is genuinely convinced that it is in private hands and that he can one day retrieve it. Could be the old "wishing it back into existence" syndrome though! I also believe that on balance, it is likely in the hands of a collector, but not necessarily as a result (directly or indirectly) of someone within whom he had confided.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Aug 24, 2021 15:57:51 GMT
I suppose if I come back to my original question - does Phil know where WoF 3 is? - I think if he doesn't, then he might as well tell us the whole story, but if he does, then he won't want to reveal who it is so as not to upset them.
So, working the logic backwards, since he hasn't told us the whole story, I'm guessing he does know where it is.
Richard
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Post by John Wall on Aug 24, 2021 19:09:58 GMT
There are a lot of unknowns and I’m not convinced we’ve had the complete story. Reminds me of Bilbo and the Ring!
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Post by andyeves on Aug 24, 2021 20:06:56 GMT
So, working the logic backwards, since he hasn't told us the whole story, I'm guessing he does know where it is. Phil's only said he has "an idea" who has it. So if your conclusion is that he does know where WOF3 is, does it follow that you also believe that one of the Fitzroy lot have it? I mean it would seem strange that he would make such an accusation knowing damn well that it is not true.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Aug 25, 2021 9:43:19 GMT
Broadly, I think that there are only really two reasons (I accept now) why Phil wouldn't simply explain what happened w.r.t. WoF 3:
The first is that doing so would lead directly to the current owner of WoF 3 and he's protecting them because he's hoping that they will one day return the print (to all of us).
The second (assuming that the first isn't true) is that he feels embarrassed about messing it up.
If it is the second, and he's reading this, please don't be embarrassed. We all make mistakes and it would be better for all of us if we knew the truth. Other people might be able to pick up the threads and carry on the good work of trying to find it.
I haven't heard or seen Phil's statement about having an idea who has it, actually. Do you have a link? If he has fully explained what happened then this is all moot conjecture anyway.
Richard
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Post by andyeves on Aug 25, 2021 10:27:44 GMT
I haven't heard or seen Phil's statement about having an idea who has it, actually. Do you have a link? If he has fully explained what happened then this is all moot conjecture anyway. www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG1uryUKNhY at 18:45
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Post by Richard Develyn on Aug 25, 2021 11:03:54 GMT
Although he certainly says "we have an idea", he does then go on to talk about the "person who has it". Watching that bit (at 18:50) gave me a strong impression that he does know who has it, but that he's still negotiating with them.
There are sort of gaps in the story about how it got lost, like just *how* were they infiltrated, but I'll accept that in the light of the above he's not going to give away too many details.
I wish him all the luck.
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