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Post by Rob Moss on May 29, 2014 11:06:43 GMT
Paul and I had a private chat on facebook a few days before I flew to Manila last march and he gave me detailed instructions on what NOT TO DO if I actually found a missing episode. I was surprised he said that even wiping the film print with tissue paper and warm water would be disastrous to the film prints well being. And I did not want to be the one to find all 7 episodes of "Evil of the Gargleblasters" and then have to announce that I ruined it trying to clean it with house hold cleanser and washing it in a hot tub I can just imagine the internet response if I had found it and then ruined it trying my home hot tub restoration technique. Back to being serious though I really had no idea that basic house hold cleansers could damage a film print. I had in years past occasionally used something to clean off an old photograph that had been covered with dust and dirt and even on a rare occasion cleaned an old film negative so I would have thought that wiping it clean with water and a tissue paper would have be a safe temporary way to clean it. But I know its not a good idea. It is surprising what you learn when you talk to some of the experts. Water + film = sludge. This is why queries about digging up landfill sites, especially the soggy old UK, are met with such pessimistic responses. |
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Post by George D on May 29, 2014 13:55:22 GMT
Since you said back to being serious, I assume you realized not to wash the film lol
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Post by Robert Lia on May 29, 2014 22:05:34 GMT
Since you said back to being serious, I assume you realized not to wash the film lol I had the maid do it for me... this way I can blame the hired help. . . Now I was clearly joking about running it threw the hot tub but I would never in a million years thought that wiping it with damp tissue paper could have dmaged a film print. As I would have immediatley dried it after wiping it clean. . . |
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Post by Marty Schultz on May 29, 2014 22:33:17 GMT
Well now you know what happened to the Aussie copies of Masterplan. The feast of Steven was transformed into the feast of Bruce, Dazza and Robbo (with dessert supplied by Shazza). A couple of barbecued Yeti, with some braised Rill on the side, and chragrilled Varga plants! Yum! I hope Shazza brought the chocolate ripple cake. Or was it pav? Lamingtons and sheep dip. |
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Post by Marty Schultz on May 29, 2014 22:40:53 GMT
Since you said back to being serious, I assume you realized not to wash the film lol I had the maid do it for me... this way I can blame the hired help. . . Now I was clearly joking about running it threw the hot tub but I would never in a million years thought that wiping it with damp tissue paper could have dmaged a film print. As I would have immediatley dried it after wiping it clean. . . Use a hair dryer on high. Hold it as close to the film as possible. However if you already have a BBQ going you can alternatively position the film on TOP of the sausages (this will create an even drying temperature) but avoid using meat cuts such as chops or steak as this can result in vinegar syndrome. Particularly if the salad is seafood. |
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Post by Paul Vanezis on May 30, 2014 7:12:28 GMT
I was very happy to advise Bob and apart from anything else we go back a long way.
I'm happy also to advise anyone else but here are a few obvious things:
If you do locate something, ask yourself if the wisest thing to do would be to leave it where it is. If something has been perfectly safe for thirty years sitting on a shelf, a few more days won't make any difference unless other factors are in play. As soon as you remove something from its resting place you put it at risk.
Once secured, don't put it on a projector or any other powered mechanical device that uses the films sprocket holes until it has been physically examined. I did 'Enemy of the World' by hand and it took an age. 'Web of Fear' was quicker because the BBC had a lovely new rewind bench.
Don't use any chemicals on the film unless you really have to. I used PEC 12 and PEC pads to clean the edges which were covered in grit and to remove the dessicated and sticky glue residues but I didn't use anything on the picture area.
If you need to join film back up, use an archival splicing tape and always tape both sides of the join. If you don't, the inert solution used in the ultrasonic cleaner will get in on the untaped side and the film will fall apart on the machine. That is a world of pain.
If one join is dodgy, assume all the rest are and remake them all. I left one in the leader of one of the EPs of Web and it fell apart on the machine. Thankfully it was just the leader.
Finally, if it's a unique film,it must be stored at a low temperature with low humidity. A wardrobe is not a suitable place.
Regarding Ian's films, I'll believe it when I see it. That's what I told Ian on numerous occasions.
Regards,
Paul
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Post by Robert Lia on May 30, 2014 8:03:53 GMT
Yes that about sums up quite a bit of what Paul told me. Now I would not have had accesses to a film projector or a screen in Manila but I would have not had a problem attempting to remove the dust and ghost turds that pile up on the reel had it been left open on it side on a shelf all these years. But I learned that you have to be careful doing that as well. Between here and the old Restoration Team Forum I picked up quite a bit of knowledge. But I must say it had all gone out the window in the excitement on the eve of my journey and had Paul not reminded me of a few basic facts you never know what this fan boy might have done in the excitement of the moment.
Alas I found nothing but here to 2015
Bob
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Post by Simon Jailler on May 30, 2014 8:56:20 GMT
I'd be scared to even breathe in the same room as a can full of lost material.
Most definitely best left to the professionals.
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 30, 2014 9:05:18 GMT
I was very happy to advise Bob and apart from anything else we go back a long way. I'm happy also to advise anyone else but here are a few obvious things: If you do locate something, ask yourself if the wisest thing to do would be to leave it where it is. If something has been perfectly safe for thirty years sitting on a shelf, a few more days won't make any difference unless other factors are in play. As soon as you remove something from its resting place you put it at risk. Once secured, don't put it on a projector or any other powered mechanical device that uses the films sprocket holes until it has been physically examined. I did 'Enemy of the World' by hand and it took an age. 'Web of Fear' was quicker because the BBC had a lovely new rewind bench. Don't use any chemicals on the film unless you really have to. I used PEC 12 and PEC pads to clean the edges which were covered in grit and to remove the dessicated and sticky glue residues but I didn't use anything on the picture area. If you need to join film back up, use an archival splicing tape and always tape both sides of the join. If you don't, the inert solution used in the ultrasonic cleaner will get in on the untaped side and the film will fall apart on the machine. That is a world of pain. If one join is dodgy, assume all the rest are and remake them all. I left one in the leader of one of the EPs of Web and it fell apart on the machine. Thankfully it was just the leader. Finally, if it's a unique film,it must be stored at a low temperature with low humidity. A wardrobe is not a suitable place. Regarding Ian's films, I'll believe it when I see it. That's what I told Ian on numerous occasions. Regards, Paul I still think Ian tried to force his hand in some way. Some say no ! But they dont exist do they ? His rantings at the time prove he was not in the right frame of mind at that time ! |
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Post by Greg H on May 30, 2014 9:14:03 GMT
I think this is a fairly safe approach to take to claims of distant prints or giant hauls:  |
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 30, 2014 9:16:44 GMT
I think this is a fairly safe approach to take to claims of distant prints or giant hauls: Im not taking a pic of my sock drawer  |
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Post by Simon Jailler on May 30, 2014 9:24:35 GMT
I think this is a fairly safe approach to take to claims of distant prints or giant hauls: As not seen on Ian Levine's Twitter feed............ |
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Post by Matthew Kurth on May 30, 2014 12:50:24 GMT
Im not taking a pic of my sock drawer Got a lot of holes in your socks you don't want us to see, then? |
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 30, 2014 16:39:04 GMT
Im not taking a pic of my sock drawer Got a lot of holes in your socks you don't want us to see, then? Of course Matt  All thrown out now in the bin |
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Post by Greg H on May 30, 2014 17:42:32 GMT
Im not taking a pic of my sock drawer Got a lot of holes in your socks you don't want us to see, then? Reading between the lines of what Shelly said there I think we can look forward to watching all of teh missing episodeses by this time tomorrow!!!! |
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All thrown out now in the bin