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Post by John Wall on May 27, 2014 22:50:47 GMT
If the odd eps were to turn up. Then if a certain you know who had them already, they would then be dupes and not worth as much as before ! Thats what i was trying to say brad  Maybe thats was his thinking. They have not been proven to exist so far. So there has to be a reason ? Levine does not normally get it wrong this big ! So something is afoot Then why announce DUPLICATES had been found? The only episode in that pile that would be worth anything would've been Enemy 6 and he's already made his money from that. If, as now seems possible, the Taiwanese prints were a hoax - which may have taken in IL - the reason would be to "smoke out" episodes in Philip Morris' sock drawer. It's all predicated on a fallacy - that Philip Morris is/was sitting on a cache of missing Dr Who (besides EotW/WoF) whilst waiting for Auntie to up the anti. A good hoax has to be believable - it has to pass the "sniff" test, and this did. People were very quickly looking for, and finding, things to connect the stories and working out when they might have been sold and where they might have been bicycled from. AFAIK, other than a lack of paperwork, there was nothing inherently implausible in these particular stories having, somehow, ended up in Taiwan. But the sting in the tail was the inclusion, amongst the prints of existing episodes, of EotW6. This was a long missing episode from a story that, apart from one episode, had been lost for decades until Philip Morris found it in Nigeria. So, what other (missing) episodes/stories were waiting to be found in Taiwan ? Consequently, Philip Morris needed to empty his sock drawer quickly before it became worthless. |
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Post by Brad Phipps on May 27, 2014 23:23:55 GMT
I still think it would've made no difference to Phil Morris. Everyone is assuming - be it correct or otherwise - that Phil is only in it for the money. His company deals with finding and restoring/protecting old television in remote parts of the world. Yes it's an expensive venture but money isn't everything. I sincerely doubt the hold up - if any - is related to Phil waiting for a bigger paycheck for additional returns.
As Paul says, when Phil gets the chance to tell his story he will.
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Post by Robert Lia on May 28, 2014 0:31:11 GMT
The point of this is still that you don't go to the press / internet or whomever stating that things have been found be it a redundant print or a missing episode until you have some physical proof that the episodes actually exist. And making up that it was found in the former AFRTS TV station of the one and only country in the pacific theater of operations that the US Military did NOT operate a TV station does nothing for that persons creditability...
Sorry if that person felt bad with all the good will goes PM's way and was clearly desperate to get his name front in center of the news again.
If these print's do exist I really think that they are ex ABC, Hong Kong or Singapore prints but until a photo of them comes out we will never know now will we?
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 28, 2014 5:42:21 GMT
Then why announce DUPLICATES had been found? The only episode in that pile that would be worth anything would've been Enemy 6 and he's already made his money from that. If, as now seems possible, the Taiwanese prints were a hoax - which may have taken in IL - the reason would be to "smoke out" episodes in Philip Morris' sock drawer. It's all predicated on a fallacy - that Philip Morris is/was sitting on a cache of missing Dr Who (besides EotW/WoF) whilst waiting for Auntie to up the anti. A good hoax has to be believable - it has to pass the "sniff" test, and this did. People were very quickly looking for, and finding, things to connect the stories and working out when they might have been sold and where they might have been bicycled from. AFAIK, other than a lack of paperwork, there was nothing inherently implausible in these particular stories having, somehow, ended up in Taiwan. But the sting in the tail was the inclusion, amongst the prints of existing episodes, of EotW6. This was a long missing episode from a story that, apart from one episode, had been lost for decades until Philip Morris found it in Nigeria. So, what other (missing) episodes/stories were waiting to be found in Taiwan ? Consequently, Philip Morris needed to empty his sock drawer quickly before it became worthless. A lot of people did believe at first ! And morris might of thought he might find something i have just found ! Its levines thinking that you have to understand ! It was clearly a hoax ! And John Wall put it better than i could |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 8:29:55 GMT
I wonder what he'd get if he did find a missing episode?!  If I actually did find a missing episode to be completely honest I would try to stay calm and enjoy the rest of my day with my family and TRY (unsuccessfully) not to be distracted by the other events going on with my vacation. I would not have the equipment or the means to attempt to upload it to You Tube in the Philippines and Paul V had advance warned me not to use any common cleaners in an attempt to clean up the film. Ah, so you mean you wouldn't be giving it a once over with the Brillo pad before handing it back then?!  |
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Post by John Green on May 28, 2014 9:23:49 GMT
I have a patent cleaner specifically for use on recently-discovered episodes of Doctor Who.£150 per 10 ml.,including postage.Send postal-orders to:
Liquid of the Faeries,
P.O. Box 101
Bodmin
RUR OOTU
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Post by Marty Schultz on May 28, 2014 10:12:28 GMT
In Australia we clean 16mm film with kerosene and a match. If it doesn't survive fire - it's probably not worth watching. ;-)
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Post by Brad Phipps on May 28, 2014 10:20:07 GMT
In Australia we clean 16mm film with kerosene and a match. If it doesn't survive fire - it's probably not worth watching. ;-) Yes but that's Australians for you... |
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Post by Hugh Pearson on May 28, 2014 13:21:36 GMT
So that's how the Aussies get their "barbies" lit, eh?  |
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Post by Robert Lia on May 28, 2014 18:13:47 GMT
If I actually did find a missing episode to be completely honest I would try to stay calm and enjoy the rest of my day with my family and TRY (unsuccessfully) not to be distracted by the other events going on with my vacation. I would not have the equipment or the means to attempt to upload it to You Tube in the Philippines and Paul V had advance warned me not to use any common cleaners in an attempt to clean up the film. Ah, so you mean you wouldn't be giving it a once over with the Brillo pad before handing it back then?! Paul and I had a private chat on facebook a few days before I flew to Manila last march and he gave me detailed instructions on what NOT TO DO if I actually found a missing episode. I was surprised he said that even wiping the film print with tissue paper and warm water would be disastrous to the film prints well being. And I did not want to be the one to find all 7 episodes of "Evil of the Gargleblasters" and then have to announce that I ruined it trying to clean it with house hold cleanser and washing it in a hot tub I can just imagine the internet response if I had found it and then ruined it trying my home hot tub restoration technique. Back to being serious though I really had no idea that basic house hold cleansers could damage a film print. I had in years past occasionally used something to clean off an old photograph that had been covered with dust and dirt and even on a rare occasion cleaned an old film negative so I would have thought that wiping it clean with water and a tissue paper would have be a safe temporary way to clean it. But I know its not a good idea. It is surprising what you learn when you talk to some of the experts. |
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Post by George D on May 28, 2014 19:55:21 GMT
That was Very nice of Paul to spend the time to share good wisdom.
My hats off to both of you for a great try
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Post by George D on May 28, 2014 19:57:40 GMT
I figured out that ootu is out of the unknown. What does rur stand for? I have a patent cleaner specifically for use on recently-discovered episodes of Doctor Who.£150 per 10 ml.,including postage.Send postal-orders to: Liquid of the Faeries, P.O. Box 101 Bodmin RUR OOTU |
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 28, 2014 20:01:31 GMT
I figured out that ootu is out of the unknown. What does rur stand for? I have a patent cleaner specifically for use on recently-discovered episodes of Doctor Who.£150 per 10 ml.,including postage.Send postal-orders to: Liquid of the Faeries, P.O. Box 101 Bodmin RUR OOTU Trigger wants 2 John |
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Post by Brad Phipps on May 28, 2014 21:08:33 GMT
I would have thought that wiping it clean with water and a tissue paper would have be a safe temporary way to clean it. Oh god no, water on film is like lava on skin. |
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Post by Robert Lia on May 28, 2014 21:34:09 GMT
I would have thought that wiping it clean with water and a tissue paper would have be a safe temporary way to clean it. Oh god no, water on film is like lava on skin. Well I did climb a volcano on my recent trip. Lots of ash but no lava. . . . |
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Maybe thats was his thinking. They have not been proven to exist so far. So there has to be a reason ? Levine does not normally get it wrong this big ! So something is afoot 
