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Post by John Wall on May 26, 2014 18:57:03 GMT
Things have been quiet for a while but has any hard evidence of their existence actually been provided ?
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on May 26, 2014 20:04:50 GMT
Things have been quiet for a while but has any hard evidence of their existence actually been provided ? I for one honestly don't know.Was it just a made-up story used by Ian Levine as a bargaining chip to make PM hand over any recovered prints-who can say?If it was just a hoax,then DWM are going to look awfully stupid.No retraction of the story has been made in any subsequent issues so either it's true or DWM are just hoping the story will quietly go away and they won't be left with egg on their faces.More importantly,Ian hasn't mentioned them again on any of his twitter feeds.If it were true,I'm sure he would have made more reference to them.After all,it has been his 'life-long dream'...  |
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 26, 2014 20:17:04 GMT
Things have been quiet for a while but has any hard evidence of their existence actually been provided ? I for one honestly don't know.Was it just a made-up story used by Ian Levine as a bargaining chip to make PM hand over any recovered prints-who can say?If it was just a hoax,then DWM are going to look awfully stupid.No retraction of the story has been made in any subsequent issues so either it's true or DWM are just hoping the story will quietly go away and they won't be left with egg on their faces.More importantly,Ian hasn't mentioned them again on any of his twitter feeds.If it were true,I'm sure he would have made more reference to them.After all,it has been his 'life-long dream'... I think it was made up to force Morris to come clean ! |
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 26, 2014 20:18:20 GMT
I thought when Enemy ep 6 was announced, my alarm bells rang !
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 26, 2014 20:19:24 GMT
Things have been quiet for a while but has any hard evidence of their existence actually been provided ? A load of tosh john. No evidence at all  Made up it looks like........ |
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Post by Robert Lia on May 26, 2014 20:19:40 GMT
Oh I think they do exist based on the reaction of the person who supposedly has them in response to Ian request for a photo. Will we ever see them again I have no idea. Granted they are redundant but if we get them back we can possibly find out what country they were originally sold to.
Still I would not have publically announced there existence without having some physical proof they exist like photographs. Some people just like to see there name in the news I guess.
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Post by Richard Bignell on May 26, 2014 20:19:59 GMT
I don't think it'll make DWM look stupid at all. They printed the story in good faith based on the situation as it was understood at the time and in what Ian told them. There's no need for them to have printed any retraction at this stage as it's still not clear if the story is accurate or not.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on May 26, 2014 20:36:52 GMT
I don't think it'll make DWM look stupid at all. They printed the story in good faith based on the situation as it was understood at the time and in what Ian told them. There's no need for them to have printed any retraction at this stage as it's still not clear if the story is accurate or not. That's true Richard. By the way, will you be doing any research on the subject for you excellent magazine NATEOTL? |
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Post by Marty Schultz on May 26, 2014 21:57:44 GMT
Paul clearly stated that it was OBVIOUS that they were direct BBC sales. That what WE were discussing was NONSENSE. I clearly stated that unlike him we hadn't seen the prints for forensic examination. I was never corrected so I wrongly assumed he had seen and viewed them. I still don't understand Pauls comments on either this or the Morcambe and Wise prints.
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Post by Marty Schultz on May 26, 2014 22:07:12 GMT
Someone (whom IIRC claimed to be working with Ian) also stated that there was lots of splicing on the film - which led to a discussion on that.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on May 26, 2014 22:23:36 GMT
Paul clearly stated that it was OBVIOUS that they were direct BBC sales. That what WE were discussing was NONSENSE. I clearly stated that unlike him we hadn't seen the prints for forensic examination. I was never corrected so I wrongly assumed he had seen and viewed them. I still don't understand Pauls comments on either this or the Morcambe and Wise prints. The whole saga is very frustrating Marty-no one knows even now if the story is true.And who knows what other tales will be fabricated to get a response from PM? It's a well known fact that this is an individual who will not respond if pushed into a corner! |
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Post by Jon Preddle on May 26, 2014 22:34:55 GMT
Paul clearly stated that it was OBVIOUS that they were direct BBC sales. That what WE were discussing was NONSENSE. I clearly stated that unlike him we hadn't seen the prints for forensic examination. I was never corrected so I wrongly assumed he had seen and viewed them. I still don't understand Pauls comments on either this or the Morcambe and Wise prints. IIRC, what Paul said was "nonsense" was the suggestion that the films had been bicycled from Gibraltar. By "direct BBC sale" he was saying the films would have been supplied from the BBC directly, rather than as a set bicycled in from elsewhere. |
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Post by Brad Phipps on May 26, 2014 22:41:39 GMT
I think it was made up to force Morris to come clean ! What a load of bollocks! How would announcing you've found 10 already-existing episodes force the hand of someone that may or may not have missing episodes? How do you know Phil Morris even knows about the story in general? With respect, Ian was trying to get the attention back on himself and make out he's the "good guy" by announcing them as soon as he found them, in apparent contrast to how a percentage of fandom believe Phil is doing it. |
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Post by Marty Schultz on May 27, 2014 0:08:14 GMT
I don't think the story has been necessarily 'invented' however it was most certainly presented and revealed in bizarre circumstances- for what I can only assume is in the interests of someone involved in its announcement. The problem is further exacerbated by the (seeming) deletion of the info surrounding it. IMO A lot of good and interesting public research by Rob and Jon is now gone from here. The whole (arguable) waste of others time and money following this 'dead end' re: AFRTS and Taiwan - could have been avoided with just a touch of candour. The fact that the revelation that no one had even seen the film was first publicly revealed on twitter is also bizarre.
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Post by Robert Lia on May 27, 2014 1:48:57 GMT
Jon and I had a lot of fun researching this AFRTS stuff. While we did not confirm the existence that William Hartnell or Patrick Troughton episodes ever aired in the Pacific Theater on AFRTS we did uncover a lot of new AFRTS TV regions and stations that would have aired the Tom Baker episode's later in life. There is also the loose connection between ARAMCO and AFRTS in the 1970's which aired a bunch on Jon Pertwee serials possibly in NTSC color in 1977. Jon also discovered separately about a BBC direct sale to PBS station WGBH in Boston, MA that aired "The Three Doctors", Carnival of Monsters", "The Green Death", "The Time Warrior", Death to the Daleks", "Monster of Peladon" and "Planet of the Spiders" in at least on US market circa 1976. So it is possible that the BBC did a direct sale with AFRTS back in the late 1960's or early 1970's. Still we had a lot of fun researching that stuff and I had a great time in the south pacific. God I miss the warm water of the Philippine Sea and my fiancé giving me a full body massage to help me sleep after a failed day of episode hunting. Still Ill be back there for another shot in 2015 as swoon as her US VISA paperwork makes its way threw the system. Perhaps as a wedding present to my self I might just find something. Perhaps the 7th trip in 7 years will be the charm  |
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Made up it looks like........
