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Post by simonashby on Apr 2, 2011 12:50:04 GMT
On one of the Lost In Time DVDs, there's an easter egg of a testcard and countdown clock for ep 3 of 'The Crusade', which by the looks of it, is sourced from a VT rather than TR.
Where did this come from? Why does it exist?
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Post by simonashby on Apr 1, 2011 17:06:18 GMT
The OOTU episode was seems to have been used for engineering purposes, and had been wiped improperly. If anything like this exists, they'd know when it gets played. This isn't a case of having an underlying signal of an older programme - the OOTU episode is on the tape, and nothing else.
This has been asked before, and it still seems to be inconclusive. I guess the answer is no, as the signals would have been wiped on a purpose built machine. However, if the tape was just re-used (was this ever done?) like we would a conventional VHS (i.e. we wouldn't wipe the tape and then record something new), maybe something is lingering in the background...
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Post by simonashby on Mar 29, 2011 0:07:50 GMT
But if those NZ Pertwee episodes were junked in 84, the surely that's a non-point. NZBC would have known that the BBC already had them and were therefore redundant.
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Post by simonashby on Mar 25, 2011 0:54:20 GMT
Forgive me, but really this thread is about what we believe is most likely to turn up, which can only be guessed upon a few unreliable 'facts'. This isn't a shopping list of what we'd like to see - surely there's only one answer for that anyway - ALL OF THEM!
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Post by simonashby on Mar 15, 2011 21:38:32 GMT
And your point being?
Film cans were/are re-used all the time. Maybe the print went walkies, maybe not.
I don't understand why you posted this.
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Post by simonashby on Mar 13, 2011 11:44:47 GMT
Telerecordings are certainly much better that some like to make out. They're however by no means perfect and are most definitely variable. It would be interesting to have a side by side comparison of a Quad and FR of the same material. Not really a lot of point as the result will always be the same. If you took a pristine VT and a pristine t/r of the same thing, the VT is always going to be better as it's the source and the t/r is (at least) one generation down from that. A t/r has to be filmed from the VT off a monitor and so you get all the resulting deterioration in picture and sound plus motion blur etc. which the original will not have. Even a t/r negative will still be an inferior copy of the videotape. That's just the way it is as it's still just a copy with all the resulting artifacts added. I certainly wasn't suggesting that a t/r might be of better quality! It was just a curiosity, to see directly how good (or bad) they could be in comparison to the original quad.
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Post by simonashby on Mar 12, 2011 20:08:13 GMT
Considering the resolution of 16mm film I am sure it is able to resolve everything that was visible on a high quality 405 line screen. If even the BBC couldn't get a decent image on the screens in their telerecording suite what hope did the average viewer have? I think you truly are seeing what most people saw in the 1960's albeit deinterlaced, which makes a difference. That is why the VidFired telerecordings look so much better. Telerecordings are certainly much better that some like to make out. They're however by no means perfect and are most definitely variable. It would be interesting to have a side by side comparison of a Quad and FR of the same material.
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Post by simonashby on Feb 25, 2011 14:53:34 GMT
I applaud the work they do cleaning up the prints and restoring colour. But I strongly disapprove of them replacing end credits and that kind of thing. I hate getting to the end of a 1960's episode and seeing perfectly-level credits that have obviously been created on a computer. I am right with you on this one. I approve strongly of VidFire and colour restoration, but I really don't like end credits being digitally remade. Still, if that's the way they want to do them, I can't complain. Sometimes the credits may look 'too' clean, but it's a damn sight better than the wobbly ones presented on the telerecordings. You must remember that telerecordings are by no means linear, making the credits look wobbly.
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Post by simonashby on Feb 8, 2011 17:17:46 GMT
A bit off the point, but...
If anyone can identify any of the music used within the programme, or has a source - please say!
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Post by simonashby on Jan 28, 2011 19:41:04 GMT
Officially it's delayed until at least 2012 - not cancelled. This suggests they can achieve what they set out to (Colour) but it will take more time to achieve the desired results.
Remember, there is a schedule with other releases on it. If one release proves more troublesome than thought, they will have to shelve it or at least work more lightly on it in order to get the other titles out on time. Then when the more developed releases are out the way, Ambassadors can be dropped back into the schedule.
It's perfectly possible that if the RT were told to forget all the other releases until Ambassadors was out, we could have it in a matter of months.
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Post by simonashby on Jan 21, 2011 22:07:39 GMT
This is exactly what fascinates me!
Surely the BBC would know of any stations that wanted to broadcast this. I guess it's just a process of the station saying 'You sent us this a long time ago, can we pay to show it again' sort of thing.
So when I say the BBC would know of any broadcasts, do I really mean one person knows of this, having stamped a bit of paper whilst being totally unaware of the programmes nature?
This of course is assuming this is actually true?
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Post by simonashby on Jan 21, 2011 0:06:37 GMT
I think you're referring to Joseph Furst's interview comment many years ago that he was still getting royalties for The Underwater Menace from Outer Mongolia. Which is just a roundabout way of him saying that he still gets an odd royalty cheque for a few pence from the story. Which he does, off the back of the VHS and DVD release of the orphan episode. Unfortunately, some people took the Outer Mongolia bit seriously, the same way some others actually believe that Robert Mugabe is hoarding episodes. If I was told Outer Mongolia, then I would have probably ignored it! But then again, maybe the broadcast clearance people at BBC worldwide will get a shock phone-call one day!
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Post by simonashby on Jan 20, 2011 21:04:34 GMT
Sorry, my fault - very quickly written post!
The story goes that it was broadcast somewhere in Africa in the 1990's and people received royalties for the whole serial.
I realise about ep3 on DVD etc.
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Post by simonashby on Jan 20, 2011 19:09:26 GMT
I don't want to dig an old rumour up, but what's this story of people still receiving royalties for this in the 1990s?
Wouldn't the BBC have found out before broadcast?
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Post by simonashby on Jan 20, 2011 18:58:42 GMT
I happened to land on the following clip which really shows up how the possibility of Colour Recovery was evident years ago - www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVAKh1FSH48&feature=relatedThe telecine that ABC are using in this clip meshes very squarely with the chroma signal on the FR, particularly in the centre of frame, and in some parts the real colour can be seen in between diagonal lines of the 'complimentary' (reverse phase) colour. Probably the best demo piece for the process I've seen. It's fascinating how b/w dots can produce colour.
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