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Post by davechasteen on Oct 30, 2010 19:25:46 GMT
I want to preface my remarks by stating that I really enjoy the quality work done by The Restoration Team on the classic Doctor Who DVD releases. The colour restorations on the Pertwee episodes have yet to let me down. I do like the fact that Mr. Hall and the others involved try to get the material back to original broadcast standards, or as close as possible. This has or will improve most of the stories from the early 1970's.
The only colour story I have come to love in the black & white format, is 'The Daemons'. The story has such a spooky atmosphere, almost as if it were a horror film from the 1930's-1950's. I enjoy watching that story on dark, rainy nights. I would like to offer a suggestion for this story's restoration for DVD. How about releasing 'The Daemons' as a two disc set: Disc One containing the colour restoration back to original broadcast standards, and Disc Two containing a cleaned up monochrome version. The BBC and 2/Entertain could charge slightly more for the 2-disc set, and help offset some of the colourization costs. A second commentary track could even accompany the other version.
What are your thoughts about this idea?
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Post by felixdembinski on Oct 30, 2010 20:11:30 GMT
you could just turn the colour levels on your tv down so its in black and white though.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 30, 2010 23:13:12 GMT
you could just turn the colour levels on your tv down so its in black and white though. ROFLMAO !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2010 9:33:55 GMT
I must admit, i'm greatly looking forward to seeing a HIGH quality colour version of The Daemons when it finally comes out on DVD (as opposed to a LOW quality colour version, which is all it's been possible to see until now) - why would we want to see it in reduced / diminished quality by choice though? The Daemons is one of my favourite DW stories and I can remember watching it originally. It was shot and lit with colour TV in mind and so that is how it should be viewed if at all possible. People are free to turn the colour down on their sets though if they wish...
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Post by davechasteen on Oct 31, 2010 12:00:55 GMT
People are free to turn the colour down on their sets though if they wish... you could just turn the colour levels on your tv down so its in black and white though. I figured the responses might be along this line... I must admit, i'm greatly looking forward to seeing a HIGH quality colour version of The Daemons when it finally comes out on DVD (as opposed to a LOW quality colour version, which is all it's been possible to see until now) - why would we want to see it in reduced / diminished quality by choice though? I look forward to seeing it completely restored in colour, as well. I just thought a good quality monochrome version might make a nice addition in the set, for the one or two of us that have fond memories of seeing it in b&w for the very first time. It might also be an inexpensive extra for the release, seeing as the clean-up of the monochrome recordings will have to be done regardless. As for wanting to see it in a diminished format, the nostalgia factor would be the only reason. Special versions of other stories have been released as extras before. To answer your question with a question and I mean no offense to those who may have been involved, but why would anyone want to see a 66-minute version of "Planet Of Fire" with newly filmed sequences and special effects? It doesn't hurt the release. It is simply there as an extra for those whom choose to watch it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2010 12:11:42 GMT
I also saw it in b/w at the time. That doesn't mean I want it released in that form out of nostalgia though! I can turn the colour off my set if I want that.
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Post by felixdembinski on Oct 31, 2010 12:49:40 GMT
well I agree with you on the planet if fire. It was a complete waste of money in my opinion, as was the new version of enlightenment too.
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Post by Robert Manners on Jan 11, 2011 17:29:21 GMT
I must admit, i'm greatly looking forward to seeing a HIGH quality colour version of The Daemons when it finally comes out on DVD (as opposed to a LOW quality colour version, which is all it's been possible to see until now) - why would we want to see it in reduced / diminished quality by choice though? The Daemons is one of my favourite DW stories and I can remember watching it originally. It was shot and lit with colour TV in mind and so that is how it should be viewed if at all possible. People are free to turn the colour down on their sets though if they wish... Yes when you see episode 4, when you have come straight from watching the restored colour version of episode 3 you really feel the difference watching from a 2” Quad VT source. I too cannot wait to see an excellent DVD version as well!
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Post by Robert Belford on Feb 25, 2011 4:35:44 GMT
I applaud the work they do cleaning up the prints and restoring colour. But I strongly disapprove of them replacing end credits and that kind of thing. I hate getting to the end of a 1960's episode and seeing perfectly-level credits that have obviously been created on a computer.
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Feb 25, 2011 7:58:58 GMT
When I first joined Who Fandom back in the 80's, there were hardly any official video releases. The episodes were out there doing the rounds, but in Nth generation. The pictures were incredibly unstable to the point of almost being unwatchable. There was dropout, picture distortion, muffled sound etc. Now we have a great quality of product, possibly the best for any series and yet still people are not happy! I'm sure that when they restore any episode it is with the idea of what the production team were trying to achieve at the time with the resources available. Now with the restorations, they are achieving that. I'm no fan of vid-fire, but I understand that this is how they would have looked. But then again, I like a sharp picture. If anyone still has their original 'Shake-O-Vision' recordings and can upload them to YouTube, we can see how blessed we are.
Alan
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Post by Trevor Hilton on Feb 25, 2011 8:14:02 GMT
I applaud the work they do cleaning up the prints and restoring colour. But I strongly disapprove of them replacing end credits and that kind of thing. I hate getting to the end of a 1960's episode and seeing perfectly-level credits that have obviously been created on a computer. I am right with you on this one. I approve strongly of VidFire and colour restoration, but I really don't like end credits being digitally remade. Still, if that's the way they want to do them, I can't complain.
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Post by Robert Belford on Feb 25, 2011 8:56:12 GMT
Yes I approve of VidFire too as that is how they would have looked at the time.
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Post by simonashby on Feb 25, 2011 14:53:34 GMT
I applaud the work they do cleaning up the prints and restoring colour. But I strongly disapprove of them replacing end credits and that kind of thing. I hate getting to the end of a 1960's episode and seeing perfectly-level credits that have obviously been created on a computer. I am right with you on this one. I approve strongly of VidFire and colour restoration, but I really don't like end credits being digitally remade. Still, if that's the way they want to do them, I can't complain. Sometimes the credits may look 'too' clean, but it's a damn sight better than the wobbly ones presented on the telerecordings. You must remember that telerecordings are by no means linear, making the credits look wobbly.
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Post by Ron Bowes on Feb 25, 2011 21:53:18 GMT
Of course if you are that sad that you want it as close to broadcast as possible, you should have somebody talking over the end credits, shouldn't you?
Personally, I stop the playback when the credits come up. If I want to really know who did what at any given time - I might play them or, alternatively, look it up in one of my many reference books.
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