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Post by alan morton on Dec 21, 2013 22:22:20 GMT
I was thinking faster than I was typing- whihc also makes for typos. I meant to say regular season baseball game. Quote "The earliest known complete game of a US major league baseball game is one from 1969 thathad been shown to the troops in Viet Nam. It somehow made its way back to the US and copies have been circulating among baseball fans for a number of years. Sports programming in the US has lots of missing episodes. The game features the Chicago Cubs from the year of the great crash and burn, something they are famous for." Actually, there are many complete baseball games before 1969. Games 6 and 7 of the 1952 World Series are available on I-Tunes. And the pivotal Game 7 of the 1960 Series was found in Bing Crosby's archives. He was partial owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates but didn't want to jinx the team by watching the game live. So he had a kinescope made of the game so he could watch it later. It's out on DVD I believe.
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 22, 2013 4:38:36 GMT
AFRTS: KNOWN FACT ABOUT HOW AFRTS OPERATED BACK IN THE 1960’S AND 70’S. If ARFTS purchased any programs from BBC Enterprises in the time before Time Life Films was set up to distribute BBC Programming in the United States in the early 1970’s it would have been shipped to the AFRTS Broadcast Center in Los Angeles, California US Military bases at the time were in the following country’s (Partial List) Australia, Cuba ,Germany, Guam, Midway Islands, Marshall Islands, Japan, New Zealand, Okinawa , Panama, Philippines, South Korea, Spain, Thailand, Taiwan United Kingdom ,Vietnam, West Berlin The films would them be screened by the local AFRTS affiliate and them sent on to the next country which in the Asia Pacific region included the US Air Force bases in the Kingdom of Thailand , US bases on the island of Taiwan, the US Naval Station in Christenchurch New Zealand, the US Naval Communication Station in Western Australia. And let’s not forget Naval Station Agana Guam. Closed military bases that would have broadcast Dr. Who in this time period Naval Communication Station Exmouth Western Australia (base is still standing as on 2003) Naval Station Christenchurch, New Zealand (Royal N.Z. Navy is still there) If Memory serves , and im gonna double check , the US Naval base at Christchurch NZ ,(note correct spelling ) was and still is a staging post for the US military flights to Antactica, which i think are now MAC (mobile air command) but in the 50s , 60s, and 70s, were Naval flights (using Constellations, Cargomasters, and Hercules aircraft , the crossover to the airforce Starlifters happening in the mid 70s.... im not aware of any other Naval base there ....(technically it would have to be Lyttleton harbour which is near Christchurch , but not "officially" Christchurch, im fairly certain no AFRTS service operated in Christchurch , due to its staging post nature, (but never say never) I also think the Radar and military flight tracking at Christchurch would be now run by our Navy as well ...... (the other navy run tracking base been in the dead centre of our north island , a very very long way from the sea! ) fascinating info tho Robert ! Thanks for the correction to the spelling on Naval Station Chritchurh. I was recalling the name from memory. You are correct. The U.S. Navy squadron that serviced New Zealand and Antarctica was named VXE-6 based at Naval Air Weapons Station Point MuGu, California. In the 1970's the base was known as the Pacific Missile Test Center Point MuGu. which is 34 miles from my parents house. By the time I was stationed in the Pacific Theater (87-90) AFRTS programing would have been beamed to the base via satellite tv and was probably due to the small amount of U.S. Navy personal and civilian staffers probably provided in the quarters assigned to the Americans by either cable TV or very low power NTSC over the air broadcasting that probably only covered the base and perhaps went a few miles outside the gate at maximum. It was quite easy to have portable transmitters set up. We had them in Vietnam and Thailand at the same time frame. Probably long gone by now though. .
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Post by Neil Lambess on Dec 22, 2013 5:18:12 GMT
If Memory serves , and im gonna double check , the US Naval base at Christchurch NZ ,(note correct spelling ) was and still is a staging post for the US military flights to Antactica, which i think are now MAC (mobile air command) but in the 50s , 60s, and 70s, were Naval flights (using Constellations, Cargomasters, and Hercules aircraft , the crossover to the airforce Starlifters happening in the mid 70s.... im not aware of any other Naval base there ....(technically it would have to be Lyttleton harbour which is near Christchurch , but not "officially" Christchurch, im fairly certain no AFRTS service operated in Christchurch , due to its staging post nature, (but never say never) I also think the Radar and military flight tracking at Christchurch would be now run by our Navy as well ...... (the other navy run tracking base been in the dead centre of our north island , a very very long way from the sea! ) fascinating info tho Robert ! Thanks for the correction to the spelling on Naval Station Chritchurh. I was recalling the name from memory. You are correct. The U.S. Navy squadron that serviced New Zealand and Antarctica was named VXE-6 based at Naval Air Weapons Station Point MuGu, California. In the 1970's the base was known as the Pacific Missile Test Center Point MuGu. which is 34 miles from my parents house. By the time I was stationed in the Pacific Theater (87-90) AFRTS programing would have been beamed to the base via satellite tv and was probably due to the small amount of U.S. Navy personal and civilian staffers probably provided in the quarters assigned to the Americans by either cable TV or very low power NTSC over the air broadcasting that probably only covered the base and perhaps went a few miles outside the gate at maximum. It was quite easy to have portable transmitters set up. We had them in Vietnam and Thailand at the same time frame. Probably long gone by now though. . apologies Robert i thought you might have been going off an original documents spelling of Christchurch its certainly amazing research by you and a great memory ! The "Operation Deep Freeze" flights to Antarctica from the Christchurch station look like they ended in 2010 , oddly enough some of the pilots on these flights ended up been accomadated at local airport hotels (as the flights and most of the base used the Runways at christchurch international Airport ) there was a bizzare Doctor Who connection in 1990 when a NZ doctor who convention was held at one of the Airport Hotels , with Jon Pertwee present ! (as he was filming a series of Worzel Gummidge down here....) Pertwee was very approachable , and even approached a good friend of mine , Josh Preston , to assist him at the various signing tables (much to Joshs surprise) over the course of the weekend the hotel bar was frequented by those of us of drinking age and was populated by US aircrew as well , One night Pertwee joined us in the Bar and was astonished to find him self reconised by Most of the US aircrew as The Doctor ! Many a happy drinking game followed after that !
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 22, 2013 5:42:42 GMT
The squadron from Point MuGu that supported Operation Deep Freeze had a maintenance detachment of at the base. They did all the work on the aircraft and took care of the administrative details for the officers and enlisted personal stationed there. they would have lived in barracks as they were there on six months deployment to the base. The few that went onto Antarctica got a ribbon for having spent 6 months on the ice in what we call "Wintering Over". These are the people who would have had the AFRTS programing so they had accesses to news from home.
I need to visit New Zealand one of these days
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Post by gbaker on Dec 23, 2013 21:42:54 GMT
If there are any episodes of 'The Space Pirates' in Taiwan, I dare say Philip Morris could track them down!
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Post by scotttelfer on Dec 23, 2013 22:27:04 GMT
If there are any episodes of 'The Space Pirates' in Taiwan, I dare say Philip Morris could track them down!
Phil Morris is checking official archives, this appears to be entirely private collectors.
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 23, 2013 22:33:25 GMT
I think it is safe to say there are archives in Chinese Taipei as they have there own TV stations, How ever who knows how long it will take before Phil gets to checking in Asia. If he even goes there at all
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 23, 2013 23:18:47 GMT
And just for the sake of completeness. Here is some information on AFRTS ALASKA TV Service from the 1960's and 70's should any one want to go exploring in Northern Alaska this winter. . . . (watch out for the polar bears)
In the 60's and 70's Kodiak also had Armed Forces TV on Channel 8 which covered the base and town. Just after the 1964 Tsunami, the TV station was very helpful getting information out to the public. The TV studio was downstairs. We had a film chain with two 16mm film projectors and slide projector and two studio cameras. This was before video tape and satellite, so everything we broadcast on TV was either live or kinescope. The film chain was behind the monitors. As I said earlier, that consisted of two 16mm sound movie projectors and a slide projector. There were four monitors: Two for the studio cameras, one for the film chain and one "on the air" monitor. The grey video control board was a switcher/fader and the audio control board sat on top of that. We received about 80 hours of kinescope and we would program to our hearts content. We had a transcription record library that occupied half the building. The radio stuff was on the second floor where the living quarters were also. The bottom floor was a studio and telecon with a console, rear projection 2 projectors a 35 projector prism and a camera for notices and station ID.The first reaction when at Kodiak checking in was that there was a tv on and it was kind of amazing since we were too far away for a cable system to pick up something.
TV was Dage equipment, two studio vidicon cameras and a third identical camera one minus the viewifinder on the film chain. All equipment except the Dage sync gen was discrete transistors. Audio was a Gates 'Yard' console. The TV transmitter was a Gates 100W with a 4X250 in the visual final and I think a 5894 in the aural 50W final. The antennas were on a tall wood pole and were separate for the picture and sound. (Most tv stations use a diplexer and one antenna.) The visual antennas were V corner reflectors and sound were 'Andrew' V's like used for FM stations with no reflector, all made by Jampro in Sacramento. About 1970 parts were acquired to modify the antenna feed to a three way power splitter and a third set of antennas was aimed out to the Chiniak tracking station. This was the only solution as bigger receive antennas didn't help much out there, just not much signal until the transmit antenna aimed some out there. You can see the RCA BW-5 sideband analyzer in the rack adjacent to the TX, a sweeper so you can broadband the visual final, above that, an audio limiter. Navy journalists ran the station. A navy corpsman who had been a union set painter at NBC Burbank painted a number of amazing color flats on sheetrock. It's too bad there was no color transmission. Some of the recent sports shows from AFRTS were on some kind of 'electron beam' recording on a 16 mm mylar [/b]film that looked white to the eye but projected like film, the rest of the programs were conventional film reruns from all networks. Upon arrival in 1969 the station was in a barracks building, shown elsewhere on this web site. Shortly people were 'volunteered' to help move tv and radio equipment which was done with two techs since one had done maintenance and operation in TV broadcasting prior to active duty time.
The radio transmitter when I got there was a fairly old 250 watt Gates with 810's in the final and the modulator and not a great antenna, an inverted L with no real ground system. They had a spare radio TX, a much newer CCA 250W in another building. I got the OK to move the radio transmitter out to the COM STA transmitter site and got a phone pair for the audio. I got the rigger to put a wire nearly vertical from the transmitter building roof up to the top of one of the four towers that surrounded the building, put in an antenna tuner for it and got a shrouded insulator from the Loran-A station to keep ice off of the lower insulator point. With the excellent ground system of that transmitter building site this vertical antenna worked great and the 250W CCA was heard quite a ways out at sea.
I got sent to Ft Greely AK Army base once to fix their TV transmitter and took s few pix there as well which I could also send you. I really appreciated NAVELEX engineer KL7ALJ Al Stewart, formerly Navy Captain of COMSTA at Kodiak, you might have run across him; I understand he passed away some years ago.
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Post by scotttelfer on Dec 24, 2013 15:54:19 GMT
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Post by adamjordan on Dec 24, 2013 18:55:43 GMT
Fascinating reading. Thanks for the link. I wonder if any cross reference could be done with other material in that collection. The Goons are mentioned, which I assume were probably widely sold abroad, but maybe other stuff could be used to definitely rule out Australia or Singapore.? But I don't know how much is known about the sales of other programmes abroad.
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Post by AndyLehrer on Dec 24, 2013 19:04:01 GMT
The person in question is a collector of broadcast material, mostly audio, and has amassed his collection from various sources around the world so I don't think there's any reason to assume his collection of Goon Shows comes from his purchase of AFRTS/AFN Taiwan material.
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Post by martinjwills on Dec 24, 2013 19:08:29 GMT
The person in question is a collector of broadcast material, mostly audio, and has amassed his collection from various sources around the world so I don't think there's any reason to assume his collection of Goon Shows comes from his purchase of AFRTS/AFN Taiwan material. Im sure you will be told by the mods, handles not allowed on this site, i doubt that you are using your real name tardytardis. From the rules post DO NOT USE HANDLES. Full names please and nothing that sounds like a false or nickname (real name plus initial is acceptable but NOT just a single name). if you haven't already done so, go to your profile and edit your `Display Name`. For some strange reason, a small minority refuse to post under real names, even though it's being requested for very good reasons (i.e. to stop spam and people adopting others' identities) so anyone not complying with this basic rule will be deleted.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 21:27:25 GMT
You said it all before I did, Martin!
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 24, 2013 22:32:25 GMT
Lets not forget that AFRTS in Chinese Taipei was a radio only service, the film cans may have gotten mixed in with other radio material over the years and was then re sold as a collection with former AFRTS radio material.
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Post by scotttelfer on Dec 24, 2013 22:40:24 GMT
Fascinating reading. Thanks for the link. I wonder if any cross reference could be done with other material in that collection. The Goons are mentioned, which I assume were probably widely sold abroad, but maybe other stuff could be used to definitely rule out Australia or Singapore.? But I don't know how much is known about the sales of other programmes abroad.
I'd presume the sales records should be about the same as with Doctor Who in terms of detail, although not as easy to get a hold of.
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