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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 21, 2013 5:24:32 GMT
Ian's contact, who actually tacked down the films, said this on Twitter "AFRTS Taiwan disbanded in 1979. Our friend in Taiwan found a cache of material from their archive a few years ago..." So from this, the films went from AFRTS Taiwan (which is actually the radio station; did Taiwan have a TV station?) -- Robert?) to a "cache", where they were subsequently found by the "friend" circa 2010. So, the AFRTS connection might just be part of the chain, so not necessarily the origin. For instance: 1) Films started off in Singapore 2) Sent to AFRTS as Auditions? 3) Auditions rejected, but kept in archive 4) Films ended up in "cache" 5) Films taken by "radio" friend in Taiwan So the film may have not have aired by AFRTS but simply moved from hand to hand / country to country by whoever it was who possessed them at the time. AFRTS had Radio in TV but I have not found anything on it yet I have not gotten around to researching that country but yes they did, other wise it would be weird if BBC enterprises film prints actually turned up at a Radio Station? Now the only flaw in the audition process is that the audition prints would have been sent to the AFRTS Broadcast Center in Los Angeles for they are the ones who would sign the purchase agreements. If I were going to sell a TV series to NZBC I would sent the prints to the main headquarters and not some small affiliate station who would simply air the series. If thee is a cache of programs, were their an American series found at that station or was it all Doctor Who that was found.
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Post by Neil Lambess on Dec 21, 2013 5:26:56 GMT
the other BIG possibility is they could all be 80s dupes of existing episodes , that somehow ended up there, and were discovered and inadvertitly "assummed " to have been there since vietnam by the person who found them in the radio station holdings? hope we do get them back to the Uk to try and work out their origin !
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Post by Paul McDermott on Dec 21, 2013 5:36:31 GMT
the other BIG possibility is they could all be 80s dupes of existing episodes , that somehow ended up there, and were discovered and inadvertitly "assummed " to have been there since vietnam by the person who found them in the radio station holdings? hope we do get them back to the Uk to try and work out their origin ! The Sterling-TIE-military line of thought is as intriguing as this one, Neil! Hope we get some more hard info soon, the truth is out there!
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 21, 2013 5:41:44 GMT
Yes if TIE sold them to AFRTS that is another possibility.
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 21, 2013 6:21:57 GMT
And a correction. Taiwan did NOT have an AFRTS TV Station. They only had an AM and FM station. How ever Thailand, Vietnam, Korea, Japan and The Philippine's did have a TV station.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Dec 21, 2013 9:02:55 GMT
I think this satisfies my own thoughts: the films didn't air on an AFRTS station in Taiwan and/or Vietnam (or any others for that matter) but have somehow ended up in the possession of someone who once worked on one of the bases, and the films have ended up as part of a "cache" of films that *did* come from one of the AFRTS stations in Asia.
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 21, 2013 9:19:36 GMT
I tend to agree with that logic but now that brings up the question of how they got to Chinese Taipei. My best bet is they came from Hong Kong as the ABC would not send them to Taiwan unless instructed to by the BBC. I don't think Gibraltar would either. Now as to how they got themselves onto a military base is another matter entirely. I could see a 16mm film print from an AFRTS station being miss sent to an AFRTS Radio station. or more than likely something that was sent from an AFRTS station and was supposed to be forwarded onto the AFRTS broadcast center in Los Angeles that ended up in a film store room room as the base although not having a proper TV station would have a base movie theater.
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Post by Marty Schultz on Dec 21, 2013 10:34:02 GMT
This is a mystery that is going to drive me up the wall. Let say just for discussion that a US military personal took them home to Taiwan for safe keeping. Where did he take them home from? AFRTS was mainly made up of United States Air Force Personnel. Looking at the countrys that aired those storys. 1. The U.S, had no Air Force Bases in Australia 2. The U.S. had no military base in Singapore at that time (there is a small base that was established after Subic Bay closed in 1992). 3. The U.S. had no military base in Hong Kong either as the Royal Navy has a base there HMS Taymor, got to visit it once 4. The U.S. had no base in Nigeria 5. The U.S. had no base in Gibraltar as that is a Royal Navy Base 6. The U.S. had no base in Zambia either So a U.S. serviceman picking them up is a rather remote choice. But Ian says they have been there since before the Vietnam war ended The U.S. has a base at Pine gap in Australia in addition to the nearby Nurranga' firing' range. Also probably completely irrelevant BUT AFRTS is a remarkably similar acronym to AFTRS - Australian Film Television Radio School.
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Post by Marty Schultz on Dec 21, 2013 10:38:58 GMT
Didn't the U.S. have staging areas etc... during the Vietnam war in far north australia - brisbane and perth etc??
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Post by Dylan Crawfoot on Dec 21, 2013 11:47:57 GMT
Australia pulled its last combat troops out of Vietnam at the end of 1971, perhaps these films were left behind by them and subsequently acquired by the Americans? Or perhaps exchanged between the two countries? Is it possible that these films were originally supplied to Australian troops by the ABC? The War Games was screened in Australia around that time and it wouldn't necessarily have meant an additional sale by BBC Enterprises.
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Post by scotttelfer on Dec 21, 2013 17:09:13 GMT
the other BIG possibility is they could all be 80s dupes of existing episodes , that somehow ended up there, and were discovered and inadvertitly "assummed " to have been there since vietnam by the person who found them in the radio station holdings? hope we do get them back to the Uk to try and work out their origin !
They are being returned to the UK and being checked up. They could be duplicates of known copies or completely new versions, we will need to wait and see.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Dec 21, 2013 17:41:52 GMT
the other BIG possibility is they could all be 80s dupes of existing episodes , that somehow ended up there, and were discovered and inadvertitly "assummed " to have been there since vietnam by the person who found them in the radio station holdings? hope we do get them back to the Uk to try and work out their origin !
They are being returned to the UK and being checked up. They could be duplicates of known copies or completely new versions, we will need to wait and see.
They are being sent to the UK? How'd you find this out?
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Post by scotttelfer on Dec 21, 2013 18:30:12 GMT
They are being returned to the UK and being checked up. They could be duplicates of known copies or completely new versions, we will need to wait and see.
They are being sent to the UK? How'd you find this out?
Heard it reported elsewhere but it has been denied by Ian Levine, they are waiting to see if Paul Vanezis is interested in them
Curse of the internet, facts and fiction get easily confused.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Dec 21, 2013 22:07:03 GMT
I'm sure Paul will follow up. Still, I have been quite happy with this conversation. It's creative, out-of-the-box, fact-checking, and overall fun theory. I certainly hope we can get more information at some point.
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Post by alan morton on Dec 21, 2013 22:20:28 GMT
I was thinking faster than I was typing- whihc also makes for typos. I meant to say regular season baseball game. Quote "The earliest known complete game of a US major league baseball game is one from 1969 thathad been shown to the troops in Viet Nam. It somehow made its way back to the US and copies have been circulating among baseball fans for a number of years. Sports programming in the US has lots of missing episodes. The game features the Chicago Cubs from the year of the great crash and burn, something they are famous for." Actually, there are many complete baseball games before 1969. Games 6 and 7 of the 1952 World Series are available on I-Tunes. And the pivotal Game 7 of the 1960 Series was found in Bing Crosby's archives. He was partial owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates but didn't want to jinx the team by watching the game live. So he had a kinescope made of the game so he could watch it later. It's out on DVD I believe.
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