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Post by D. Frame on Oct 28, 2012 8:01:40 GMT
silent wouldn't be any block in people trying to recover it, after all the soundtrack is all ready and waiting. It shouldn't make a difference but that is a tad to close to Blackpool for comfort. Anyway the BBC wouldn't have let all that money go on animating it if there was any knowledge about it surviving in any form.
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Post by Daniel Hornby on Oct 28, 2012 8:15:47 GMT
Minimum age is 13. Why should you know this piece of information? Are you only 12 in fact?
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Post by Rob Moss on Oct 28, 2012 8:35:39 GMT
This is a very old rumour/hoax. No truth in it as far as we're aware. A silent copy of "The Invasion 1" has been rumoured for years. The rumour was that Nick Courtney was given a VHS copy of The Invasion by a fan, but that the first episode had no sound. He later clarified that by "first episode", he meant the first episode on the tape, ie episode 2.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Oct 28, 2012 8:38:20 GMT
Remember that G4 and UM took 5 months to announce and any found now would be announced in March/April by that reckoning! At the end of the day Paul V can't just announce things on this forum, like some think he can do. Even if not for contractual reasons (as Richard Bignell tried to debunk in a previous thread) the BBC would consider information like missing episode finds etc. to be theirs to divulge at a time that suited them and employees/links to the BBC such as Paul risk cutting ties by leaking information like that. It is not a question of Paul's or others' honesty, it is just a fact that big companies do not like leaks. Just to clarify my position, I am no longer a salaried member of the BBC and I am not beholden to them when it comes to the subject of missing episodes, unless a film or episode is returned directly to them. The situation last year was different, in that Terry Burnett wasn't returning his film directly to the BBC, but rather making us aware that he had 'Air Lock' and wondered if we were interested in it. It wasn't the BBC's decision to keep the information under wraps; they didn't know it had turned up, but after discussion with the team, I decided it would be far better to make a splash with a surprise screening at Missing Believed Wiped. The only person connected with the BBC who knew about it was head of BBC Video Sue Kerr (who arranged for the cost of the transfers to be met). Later, around November, Sue felt it would be in their best interests to brief Caroline Skinner about it and the other research we were doing. Only staff at the National Archives of Australia and Deluxe in Sydney were aware of the discoveries outside of a tight nit circle for obvious reasons. Basically, we could have announced the episode find in July and the second find in September, within a few hours of us transferring the film, just like we did in 2004 with 'Day of Armageddon'. I decided we could generate more interest and publicity, and possibly further recoveries, by associating the discovery with the BFi rather than the BBC. As for the recent rumours; that is typical after a major find like this and not unexpected in the run up to the anniversary. But I would say that there would be no reason I can think of that the BBC/BBC Worldwide would sit on the information if they actually had anything new in their hands. I know they do not. Regards, Paul
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Oct 28, 2012 8:44:05 GMT
Well,
I would be very suspicious of any rumours associated with Blackpool, Blackburn, Liverpool, Warrington and St. Helens, in fact any area of the North West. There have been a great many claims which have turned out to be hoaxes emanating from all of these areas, the majority of which you don't know about, following a similar pattern to previous hoaxes. Since 2005, the number has reached double figures.
They're all perpetrated by the same person and vary from simple rumourmongering to borderline fraud.
Paul
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Post by Daniel Hornby on Oct 28, 2012 9:41:36 GMT
Thanks Paul You mentioned being made redundant in a previous thread which is a shame and the point I was making is that you are still linked unofficially (even if it's just through the fans/RT). Obviously you've been able to point out the facts which mean I'm dead wrong about the issue of information divulging. I guess you're saying that you can release information you have found on here without telling the BBC, if you found something, which makes perfect sense. Although I'm sure you'll agree in most cases that would be unwise which was my underlying point on this. Dan
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Oct 28, 2012 10:16:32 GMT
I guess you're saying that you can release information you have found on here without telling the BBC, if you found something, which makes perfect sense. Although I'm sure you'll agree in most cases that would be unwise which was my underlying point on this. Dan Hi Dan, I'm good at what I do and have been in constant work since leaving the BBC. It's their loss... and I'm back working for them at the beginning of November. I'm not sure it would be unwise to release info, unless it was a complete story which needed work done to it under the radar, and without endless scrutiny from the fans. Obviously if that situation arises, you won't know about it (and no, that is not happening now). I think the main point here is rumours are just that. Each retelling of a rumour gets more embellished. A single episode becomes an entire story. An entire story becomes a list of titles. The reality is we've had less than thirty episodes returned since 1978. Another thirty are not going to turn up overnight. People can choose to believe there is something to rumours, or not. But belief in a rumour won't magic it out of thin air. Regards, Paul
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Post by Daniel Hornby on Oct 28, 2012 10:25:27 GMT
I'm not sure it would be unwise to release info, unless it was a complete story which needed work done to it under the radar, and without endless scrutiny from the fans. Obviously if that situation arises, you won't know about it (and no, that is not happening now). If it was happening now you wouldn't tell us anyway! Dan
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Post by Jim Exley on Oct 28, 2012 12:01:34 GMT
Whatever the folks in the know have to say, I reckon the rumours will persist. It reminds me of that scene in 'Life of Brian' where Brian is trying to convince the multitude that he's not the Messiah... I don't think I've ever seen the rumour mill so active as it has been this year, and TBH I don't expect it to slow down until the anniversary has passed and we have DVD releases of 589 classic series episodes and no more.
What Paul mentioned in his post above about 30 episodes being found since 1978 may in some ways be disappointing, but I reckon we've done pretty well. After all, we've also found soundtracks to all the lost episodes, telesnaps for a great many of them, and several clips. Not to mention we have over 60 more Pertwee episodes in colour than we did back then! It's a very good survival rate for a series of that age.
Cheers Jim
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Post by John Andersen on Oct 28, 2012 15:06:27 GMT
Well, I would be very suspicious of any rumours associated with Blackpool, Blackburn, Liverpool, Warrington and St. Helens, in fact any area of the North West. There have been a great many claims which have turned out to be hoaxes emanating from all of these areas, the majority of which you don't know about, following a similar pattern to previous hoaxes. Since 2005, the number has reached double figures. They're all perpetrated by the same person and vary from simple rumourmongering to borderline fraud. Paul It's too bad something can't be done about that guy. Sometimes criminal prosecution has a way of changing a person's attitude.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 28, 2012 16:03:51 GMT
There have been a number of recent rumours regarding missing episodes and it is believed that the number of hoaxes will increase as we approach the 50th anniversary.
My policy will be to ignore anything that doesn't come from the likes of Paul.
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Post by Greg H on Oct 28, 2012 16:17:02 GMT
I say have a laugh at the no life brigade Be polite and enjoy yourself. Perhaps if they lose their virginity or manage to make a friend they will stop, but until then, and I wouldn't hold your breath, they will carry on making weird claims.
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Post by Daniel Hornby on Oct 28, 2012 16:52:33 GMT
This is a forum about missing episodes. If we can't have fun picking out hoaxes from the truth what is the point?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 28, 2012 17:39:27 GMT
This is a forum about missing episodes. If we can't have fun picking out hoaxes from the truth what is the point? Because it only encourages them to keep doing it. I suggest that a new rule be added, and that is that all postings claiming to have found or know the whereabouts of an episode without any form of visual proof will automatically be flagged as ("HOAX?)" until such time as that proof is supplied.
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Post by cjones on Oct 28, 2012 17:59:45 GMT
I'll second that.
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