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Post by Richard Tipple on Mar 21, 2012 17:13:28 GMT
*pleasehavemarcopolo**pleasehavemarcopolo**pleasehavemarcopolo**pleasehavemarcopolo**pleasehavemarcopolo**pleasehavemarcopolo**pleasehavemarcopolo**pleasehavemarcopolo**pleasehavemarcopolo**pleasehavemarcopolo**pleasehavemarcopolo**pleasehavemarcopolo**pleasehavemarcopolo**pleasehavemarcopolo**pleasehavemarcopolo**pleasehavemarcopolo* *pleasehaveanythingmissing* I don't quite see the appeal of Marco Polo myself. After seeing all the Loose cannon reconstructions including Marco Polo, and if it had to be a Hartnell episode I'd rather have an odd episode of The Myth Makers, The Massacre, The Savages or The Smugglers. Still interesting lead worth a look. I don't quite see the appeal of Marco Polo myself. After seeing all the Loose cannon reconstructions including Marco Polo, I'd rather have an odd episode of The Myth Makers, The Massacre, The Savages or The Smugglers. And that’s if it had to be a Hartnell episode. Still interesting lead worth a look. However, being a bit of a pessimist about these things, I rather suspect that Jon will get to this guys house on Saturday and either no one will answer the door or a old lady will answer it and have no idea that he's talking about and slam the door in his face. That’s if the house is even there at all. I know its work, but I really think more info should be about Sierra Leone as that was where about 20 missing episodes were seen last, even if one or two survived..but I cant do it on my own. To paraphrase Doubting Thomas "Until I see the film cans or the contents destroyed Im not going to be convinced" Agreed It's all about opinions! Personally I rate MP as one of Hartnell's finest outings. Perhaps it's just the mystery that surrounds it. Who knows but it certainly appears more than The Massacre.
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Post by simonashby on Mar 21, 2012 17:54:28 GMT
However, being a bit of a pessimist about these things, I rather suspect that Jon will get to this guys house on Saturday and either no one will answer the door or a old lady will answer it and have no idea that he's talking about and slam the door in his face. That’s if the house is even there at all. If this person is genuine, you can rub people up the wrong way effectively accusing them of lying like that - even if you don't think it would have that effect. I've seen a similar situation before.
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Post by Charles Daniels on Mar 21, 2012 18:10:47 GMT
It's all about opinions! Personally I rate MP as one of Hartnell's finest outings. Perhaps it's just the mystery that surrounds it. Who knows but it certainly appears more than The Massacre. There is one episode, is it Five Hundred Eyes maybe?, with a long elaborate dance sequence. So I think that will never work on audio. Getting the visuals back would be a must for understanding that episode.
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Post by Charles Daniels on Mar 21, 2012 18:12:49 GMT
However, being a bit of a pessimist about these things, I rather suspect that Jon will get to this guys house on Saturday and either no one will answer the door or a old lady will answer it and have no idea that he's talking about and slam the door in his face. That’s if the house is even there at all. If this person is genuine, you can rub people up the wrong way effectively accusing them of lying like that - even if you don't think it would have that effect. I've seen a similar situation before. Yes, I was surprised to see a harsh message like that, and I apologise to Billbell if he's reading. As you can see, some people are very passionate. It's really best to sit back and see if there's anything to talk about later on.
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Post by telos on Mar 21, 2012 18:52:45 GMT
If this person is genuine, you can rub people up the wrong way effectively accusing them of lying like that - even if you don't think it would have that effect. I've seen a similar situation before. Obviously people have lost their sense of humour. Terribly sorry if anyone takes it the wrong way, I'm just not getting my hopes up. But by all means, please prove me wrong.
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Post by n cornwall on Mar 21, 2012 19:27:51 GMT
We know that certain of the stories now lost were sent to New Zealand.
We know that certain of the episodes now lost got “into the wild†in New Zealand instead of being destroyed.
It is possible that certain of the episodes that got “into the wild†have not been recovered. By this I am referring to the fact that one of the individuals involved in the recovery of “The Lion†from N.Z. is sure he saw missing Troughtons projected for kids at a school on a rainy day, back in the mid 1970s. This screening occurred in the lower North Island. By the time Neil tracked down the person who projected the films the man had died and his collection had been “sold or passed onâ€. Bill claims to live in the central North Island, and that his Dad had a film collection.
Therefore I think the chances of there being something to this are higher than the vast majority of “leads†that have been posted on this board over the years, particularly if Bill Bell is using his real name. (There is one B Bell in the phonebook for Pukekohe, all I was able to check at this time of the day in New Zealand.)
Most likely all we will get is a guy with some old films but no Who, and whether the original collection contained Who will remain a matter for speculation.
While I can understand people are agitated about the birthday issue, now that someone of reputation is checking out the story I think it is time for all posters to hold their tongues with regard to the veracity of the claim. We don’t want to “frighten the horses.â€
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Mar 21, 2012 19:58:19 GMT
I think the three main appeals for Marco Polo is that one; it has no surviving footage. Two, it is the first proper historical (I'm not truly sure if An Unearthly Child counts). And three, it is the earliest lost Who story. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I also believe the missing Marco Polo is aggravating because the first two seasons were sold overseas more than subsequent seasons. Which is why there are very few missing episodes from Season 1 and 2. That makes the entire absence of the Marco Polo serial maddening for some.
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Post by rdenham on Mar 21, 2012 20:31:10 GMT
I think the three main appeals for Marco Polo is that one; it has no surviving footage. Two, it is the first proper historical (I'm not truly sure if An Unearthly Child counts). And three, it is the earliest lost Who story. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I also believe the missing Marco Polo is aggravating because the first two seasons were sold overseas more than subsequent seasons. Which is why there are very few missing episodes from Season 1 and 2. That makes the entire absence of the Marco Polo serial maddening for some. Not to mention Marco Polo in particular was the most widely sold of all of the missing episodes, having been sold to at least 23 countries.
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Post by adamjordan on Mar 21, 2012 20:31:15 GMT
the one where he met Ghengis Khan is missing from the archives....... me=1332349755][quote author=johnwall board=who thread=7002 p The one where he met Ghengis Khan never existed in the first place! Kublai Khan on the other hand.......[/quote] Well Bill seems to recall watching either episode 6 "Mighty Kublai Khan" or episode 7 "Assassin at Peking" as these are the only ones that feature Kublai Khan. "Assassin at Peking" would be my vote if only one episode were ever recovered from this tale. That it is even being discussed as a slender hope is wonderful. Fingers crossed eh?
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Mar 22, 2012 1:55:00 GMT
Well still no new news ~ btw still waiting on any news on the release date for The Reign of Terror...
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Post by Dave Green on Mar 22, 2012 6:05:03 GMT
I really think young people who get excited on any potential lead is the greatest cause of hoaxsters. I remember a story a while back where a friend had a second hand shop. Someone came in to sell him a diamond. He had a specialist come in. he examined the diamond, and told him what he could pay for it. But the guy clearly stated that once that diamond left his hand, it would no longer be real. The customer refused the offer. took it back and then decided to sell it. The guy refused to buy it as he knew it could have been switched. Im in sales. I had an appointment scheduled for a prospect. He then called to cancel his appointment and said he wasnt interested. Some people are insincere. Some are not interested Some have serious interest but are not in a position to do anything. Others are the people who I can really work with. If I let every potential lead that failed crushed me, Id be out of business so quickly. Instead, I understand the numbers game. I understand that it doesnt matter how many appointments I see or how many leads I get. I simply go through the procedure and sooner or later I find the diamond in the rough. The people who I really feel are the type of people that I can help..and those are the ones that keep me going Greed, selfishness, covetousness, naivity, those are the tools of hoaxsters. Love for others, caring, respect, cautious optimism, and the maturity, those are the tools that bring long term friendship and a safe heart. I am always willing to make a new friend who is sincere. I think its great that Jon, who I view as one of the most respected men in NZ, is willing to go down and meet billbell. Now that the hand of friendship has been held out, I really feel there is no more to say on that until that meeting comes to pass. I know its work, but I really think more info should be about Sierra Leone as that was where about 20 missing episodes were seen last, even if one or two survived..but I cant do it on my own. To paraphrase Doubting Thomas "Until I see the film cans or the contents destroyed Im not going to be convinced" Well said George
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Post by Stuart Douglas on Mar 22, 2012 14:45:21 GMT
Well, not to rain on any parades and I hope that this is utterly unconnected and that our new forum member does indeed have a chunk of Marco Polo in his attic, but co-incidentally I have heard from a couple of people I trust that there would be a Marco Polo hoax this week, which would even feature mocked up footage.
Like I said, I hope this is nothing to do with that...
Stuart
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Mar 22, 2012 14:49:11 GMT
Well, not to rain on any parades and I hope that this is utterly unconnected and that our new forum member does indeed have a chunk of Marco Polo in his attic, but co-incidentally I have heard from a couple of people I trust that there would be a Marco Polo hoax this week, which would even feature mocked up footage. Like I said, I hope this is nothing to do with that... Stuart Scary and sad if true. When had you heard this information?
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Post by Stuart Douglas on Mar 22, 2012 14:58:17 GMT
Well, not to rain on any parades and I hope that this is utterly unconnected and that our new forum member does indeed have a chunk of Marco Polo in his attic, but co-incidentally I have heard from a couple of people I trust that there would be a Marco Polo hoax this week, which would even feature mocked up footage. Like I said, I hope this is nothing to do with that... Stuart Scary and sad if true. When had you heard this information? Over the past few days, but re-inforced again this morning. Stuart
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Post by Richard Tipple on Mar 22, 2012 15:14:28 GMT
I often recreate footage from missing episodes using real Hartnell footage and mock-up backgrounds etc I do this for my own reconstructions. I'd never try and pass it off as the real thing though. If faked footage does come to the surface I'd be interested to compare the quality of it against mine.
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