Lost in Time II

[ajsmith]

Here are 60s odds and ends I can think of that weren't included on Lost In Time 1 and could(should) make any projected 2 were it to happen.

1. VID Fired version of the Galaxy 4 1 clip
2. The extra ten seconds of Power footage that turned up in 2005 (this was on the Genesis Of The Daleks DVD, but only partially as part of a longer doc )
3. 10 second clip of model daleks from Evil episode 7 (I asked about this a while back and Richard said it was held privately and mainly consisted of stagehands putting the models into place whith only 3 seconds that might've been able to be used in the show, but that still sounds as worthy of inclusion as the opening shot from The Highanders that survives and was on LIT )
3. Blooper film trim of Deborah Watling falling off camera from Abominable Snowmen
4.Frazer Hines Abominable Snowmen colour movie (different from the Gerald Blake one on LIT)

Anything I'm missing?

[Deleted]

Maybe an amended volume 1 would be a more realistic proposition? It could take in the new recoveries and maybe improve on a few of the other orphaned episodes (which, by today's standards, were pretty poorly Vidfired / restored).

[Richard Tipple]

Jan 5, 2012 11:46:38 GMT @laurencepiper said:

Maybe an amended volume 1 would be a more realistic proposition? It could take in the new recoveries and maybe improve on a few of the other orphaned episodes (which, by today's standards, were pretty poorly Vidfired / restored).

While I think this is a good idea, would it be as commercially viable as a Lost in Time II? To be honest everyone on here is going to purchase the DVD in whatever form, but to the average Joe with some interest in classic Who, I think they'd rather have the two new eps packaged with some of the ideas ajsmith mentioned. It might feel better value for money.

[felixdembinski]

There weren't really any extras that were specially made on the first lost in time, not even photo gallerys. A new one could include those, more commentaries, restored and vidfired versions of the various clips that apeared on the dvd, asit looked like no restoration went into those at all, a specially made documentary instead of the one from 1998, interviews + all the other things that usually go on the dvd's. Along with two newly discovered episodes, and if there are no plans to put tenth planet and the ice warriors on dvd with animations or recons, they could go on too. Seeing as they are re releasing stories already, this doesn't seem to far fetched.

[mkeown]

Unless there are further discoveries this year, why not release the two episodes with The Ice Warriors (missing eps 2 & 3 animated)?

[John Wall]

Going slightly off at a tangent, some of the "extras" are probably on the "wrong" releases as they turned up after their obvious "home" was released. I'm sure that 2|e, et al are considering and discussing options for getting these two episodes released. However, let's not forget that some work is required; UM2 has about 2 seconds missing video and I recall that almost the final half minute of GF3 is missing. These aren't going to be fixed overnight.

In the mean time there are a couple of leads identified on this very MB; Ice Warriors in Germany and the TIE archive. I don't know what, if anything, will come from those but if, for example, just one of the missing episodes of Ice Warriors came back there would then be five out of six episodes which would surely make animation very attractive.

[David Cann]

Jan 5, 2012 9:32:00 GMT ajsmith said:

Here are 60s odds and ends I can think of that weren't included on Lost In Time 1 and could(should) make any projected 2 were it to happen.

1. VID Fired version of the Galaxy 4 1 clip
2. The extra ten seconds of Power footage that turned up in 2005 (this was on the Genesis Of The Daleks DVD, but only partially as part of a longer doc )
3. 10 second clip of model daleks from Evil episode 7 (I asked about this a while back and Richard said it was held privately and mainly consisted of stagehands putting the models into place whith only 3 seconds that might've been able to be used in the show, but that still sounds as worthy of inclusion as the opening shot from The Highanders that survives and was on LIT )
3. Blooper film trim of Deborah Watling falling off camera from Abominable Snowmen
4.Frazer Hines Abominable Snowmen colour movie (different from the Gerald Blake one on LIT)

Anything I'm missing?

I'm pretty sure that the New Zealand censor clips from 'The Web of Fear' and 'The Wheel in Space' aren't on the first Lost in Time boxset, though I may be wrong. I'm a bit confused with these after consulting Wiped!, as the section on individual clip recoveries says that the clips were recovered in 2002, while the second Appendix (which lists details of ALL episodes) says that the Web of Fear trims were discovered in 2005, meaning that they couldn't have made it onto the Lost in Time boxset. I certainly don't recall seeing them on the collections of missing clips, whenever they were found. Plus in addition to the extra 14 secs of 'Power' footage, there's the better-quality clip of the one that already existed in 'C for Computer'.
Wiped! also details several film clips found in the run-up to the 2004 LIT release, but does not mention if they were released on the boxset (as it does do with some other clips). I know that the footage from 'Power' of the Doctor discovering the Daleks made it on to Lost in Time, but did the clips from 'The Space Pirates' 1 that were found in a Dad's Army can? They probably were, but I can't remember seeing them. Mind you, I haven't got the best of memories

[Richard Bignell]

The NZ censor clips were found in 2002, not 2005 and are on Lost in Time, along with the material from The Space Pirates.

[David Cann]

OK, thanks for clearing that up Richard I guess that there's a typo in the second Appendix of Wiped! then - all the same, it's still a brilliant book. Sorry for the confusion

[John Andersen]

Jan 5, 2012 16:46:34 GMT mkeown said:

Unless there are further discoveries this year, why not release the two episodes with The Ice Warriors (missing eps 2 & 3 animated)?

2/e are currently involved with an animation project that is focused on animating episodes 4 and 5 of The Reign of Terror for a release in late 2012. If that sells well enough, there is a possibility that they could try animating The Ice Warriors next. Let's hope sales are enough to bring forth more animations in the future. I have some relatives that like Doctor Who on TV, but they don't seem motivated enough to buy the DVDs. It looks like I will be purchasing a few extra ones as Christmas gifts.

[PAUL COTTON]

Interviewed in a recent SFX Magazine Doctor Who Special, Dan Hall of 2entertain stated that another missing story is being considered for animation, but can't reveal which one it is at the moment.

Paul Cotton

[Andrew Parker]

Jan 6, 2012 9:31:58 GMT PAUL COTTON said:

Dan Hall of 2entertain stated that another missing story is being considered for animation, but can't reveal which one it is at the moment.

Not many to guess from, Tenth Planet or the Ice Warriors since these have the majority of episodes surviving. If I remember right 2Entertain said they would animate missing episodes if the majority of the story survives.

[Andrew Parker]

Jan 5, 2012 11:46:38 GMT @laurencepiper said:

Maybe an amended volume 1 would be a more realistic proposition?

Even though I own Lost in Time I'd rather this was the case, especially if they did some more commentaries, I'd love to hear more from Peter Purves, Derrick Sherwin and Frazer Hines.

Or hopefully another bunch of missing episodes turned up and they could release a whole new set, but then that's just wishful thinking.

[Gordon Roxburgh]

If there is to be a Lost In Time Vol 2, how about including as an extra a feature about John Cura, his background and about how he took the telesnaps etc.

It could include details on the 'discoveries' of some of these photos, with interviews with Directors, Production Unit Managers, Researchers etc and include reconstructions of a few key scenes in Doctor Who history, along with the soundtrack.

[John Green]

Surely the point about these episodes is that they were found in time? We're still looking for the lost ones.
I don't know what sort of quality control is exercised over commentaries,but I felt the lack of a moderator on some on LIT.Far too much "Oh.What's going on now? I thought they were locked out of...or is that the other chap? No,I've never seen this episode before either",given that we're watching an isolated episode.