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Post by George D on Jun 9, 2023 23:37:28 GMT
I read recently that the daleks appeared on the B&WMS in 1964.
Does anyone have any more info on it?
Do they perform? What songs ? Any further details or memories?
Are there any photo, video or audio of this event?
Thanks
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Post by Stuart Douglas on Jun 23, 2023 13:58:11 GMT
Can we keep replies to George's question on topic please?
Nobody needs to know your feelings on the actual show itself, or on how it compares to shows nowadays, or how people who do or don't like it are some insulting term or other...
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jun 23, 2023 15:23:43 GMT
I read recently that the daleks appeared on the B&WMS in 1964. Does anyone have any more info on it? Do they perform? What songs ? Any further details or memories? Are there any photo, video or audio of this event? Thanks According to Andrew Pixley in DWM's archive feature on The Dalek Invasion of Earth (DWM 280), "The evening of Sunday 6 (December) saw the Daleks in a jovial mood for a recording of The Black and White Minstrel Show: the opening medley had a space theme with The Jackpots performing I'm Beginning to See the Light with a Dalek in the foreground, Benny Garcia and The Toppers tap-dancing around the Daleks, John Bulter and The Toppers performing Sweet Muchacha with two Daleks and finally Margaret Savage being carried off on a Dalek wile performing Whatever Lola Wants." The edition, shown on 12 December, is one of four from Series 7 missing from the BBC Archive.
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Post by George D on Jun 23, 2023 16:12:41 GMT
Thanks for the useful information.
It appears the daleks had a significant role.
I assume there are no known photographs, telesnaps or audio recordings?
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Post by timmunton on Jun 23, 2023 18:12:46 GMT
Interesting info there from Andrew Pixley via the comment here from Richard Bignell.
Also; DWM #280 was July 1999 - 10 years after the final performances of the BWMS; not on television but on stage: If the internet is reliable their final public performances were doing a season in 1989 at Butlins.
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Post by sonnybh on Jun 23, 2023 20:51:28 GMT
Interesting info there from Andrew Pixley via the comment here from Richard Bignell. Also; DWM #280 was July 1999 - 10 years after the final performances of the BWMS; not on television but on stage: If the internet is reliable their final public performances were doing a season in 1989 at Butlins. And what utter idiots they were. Let's hope they got eggs thrown at them. They really must have been a relic by then!
I'm surprised one of the 2 Ronnies compilation series around that time included their Fat & Thin Minstrel routine. More recently the more recent Sounds Of The Seventies included a clip of them singing a calypso in slightly more realistic make up but still cringeworthy, along with singing in cod-Jamaican accents!
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Post by simoncurtis on Jun 23, 2023 23:11:28 GMT
The Archives are not safe, unless there's a preservation order to protect vintage TV Programmes. Even the original Doctor Who tapes could be junked with no repercussions whatsoever
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Post by Dan S on Jun 23, 2023 23:55:59 GMT
Surely the show is worth keeping for some of the guest stars that appeared.
Also I remember a documentary about Lenny Henry mentioning that he made one of his earliest tv appearances on the show. A clip wasn't shown, leading me to assume that the episode no longer exists. But if it did it'd probably be worth keeping, if only to demonstrate the absurdity that he had to put dark makeup on his face.
But yeah, probably not wise to repeat full episodes even on the nostalgia channels.
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Post by timmunton on Jun 24, 2023 0:17:19 GMT
Dan S: I'm not sure how many times Lenny Henry appeared on the B&WMS tv show (though definitely at least once. And there is a clip of him, possibly from the show?, at BBC iplayer on a webpage about his involvement with the show). But - to his deep regret - he performed with the stage version of the show for 5 years; from 1975 to 1980. There are several newspaper reports saying this on the internet, based on interviews with him
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Post by Pete Morris on Jun 24, 2023 4:58:30 GMT
IMDB lists Lenny Henry's appearance as being on the 1975 Christmas show.
TVBrain does not list this as a missing episode.
Granted that both sources are less than 100% accurate, but it seems likely that his appearance still exists in the archives.
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Post by sonnybh on Jun 24, 2023 20:30:05 GMT
IMDB lists Lenny Henry's appearance as being on the 1975 Christmas show. TVBrain does not list this as a missing episode. Granted that both sources are less than 100% accurate, but it seems likely that his appearance still exists in the archives. I think a clip has been used in a documentary.
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Post by stephenconnett on Jul 4, 2023 16:04:21 GMT
I think it is important to preserve everything as far as possible if only for historical record for research in cultural history. It is highly unlikely that TBAWMS will ever be shown on mainstream television ever again as reruns, as entertainment, which is the correct position but for cultural research or within the context of say a documentary about changing values in Television or society, it's important for people to see examples, which illustrate the subject within the context of broader social cultural and/or poltical issues.
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Post by stephenconnett on Jul 4, 2023 17:30:35 GMT
The Black And White Minstrel Show: TBAWMS
One thing I've noticed is that (presumption) most people here are let's say older folk who can remember all that stuff, and that people invest more emotionally into the programmes than say a younger contemporary audience does for 'their' shows. Perhaps with media/tv/ films everywhere now, inescapable, the rarity unique, special place factor is lost on that younger audience who swim in it, so to speak?
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Post by garygraham on Jul 6, 2023 4:02:36 GMT
Lenny Henry has nothing to apologise for. It was what happened in a different era. He made jokes about being deported (Seaside Special) and his skin colour and took what limited opportunities were available at the time. He is far from the only black performer who did it. Tony Jackson was in a duo called Sweet Dreams with Polly Brown who wore brown make up apparently to look like Diana Ross. They appeared on Top of the Pops. One week on the same show as The Three Degrees.
I suspect for every black person who felt uncomfortable there was another who just accepted it as the way things were. In much the same way we as gay males accepted the 60s and 70s stereotypes and actually roared with laughter at some of them. But that doesn't suit the current day narrative. Horrible damaging stereotypes are still promoted these days and often from within the communities themselves with the current penchant for being a victim.
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Post by sonnybh on Jul 6, 2023 20:32:58 GMT
Lenny Henry has nothing to apologise for. It was what happened in a different era. He made jokes about being deported (Seaside Special) and his skin colour and took what limited opportunities were available at the time. He is far from the only black performer who did it. Tony Jackson was in a duo called Sweet Dreams with Polly Brown who wore brown make up apparently to look like Diana Ross. They appeared on Top of the Pops. One week on the same show as The Three Degrees. I suspect for every black person who felt uncomfortable there was another who just accepted it as the way things were. In much the same way we as gay males accepted the 60s and 70s stereotypes and actually roared with laughter at some of them. But that doesn't suit the current day narrative. Horrible damaging stereotypes are still promoted these days and often from within the communities themselves with the current penchant for being a victim. Yes even white right wingers finding everything under the sun to be offended by, even things that have been around for centuries!
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