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Post by John Wall on Feb 14, 2021 11:10:24 GMT
John Wall wrote "It needs another colour source which means funding the likes of BabelColour. Crowdfunding anyone?" Out of interest, how much money are we talking to get that episode into a decent colour state? Having said that if IOTD gets a decent budget for the S11 bluray set I'd like to think it would have new CGI on the special effects, the only downside to a cracking story. I’m not sure but remember that PotD was initially recoloured and then supplemented with colour recovery. I think it was in the $10ks and I also recall that it was commissioned when the £ to $ rate was favourable. Obviously technology has moved on. From the fans point of view it would give another Pertwee season that’s as near to original broadcast quality as makes no difference.
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Post by Timothy Austin on Feb 14, 2021 11:47:14 GMT
'Planet of the Daleks' episode 3 is a stunning restoration. Combining chroma dot colour recovery, with the U.S. company 'Legend Films' re-coulourisation made the episode very close to how it likely originally looked, In it's original Pal video format. Of course, the irony is that many in the U.K were still watching Doctor Who in black and white back in 1973 anyway. So most seen the Pertwee era in colour for the first time many years later!
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Post by John Wall on Feb 14, 2021 12:08:13 GMT
If it’s assumed - and it’s actually less - that there are 25 minutes to recolour that’s 1500 seconds and 37,500 frames.
Obviously the computer does a lot of the donkey work but probably needs resetting at every change of shot - and all the studio work was multi-camera.
I presume that every frame probably has to be manually checked, just to be sure.
If, as seems reasonable, there’s a cost per frame then costing it shouldn’t be too difficult.
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Post by John Wall on Feb 14, 2021 12:18:30 GMT
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Post by Richard Marple on Feb 14, 2021 14:29:00 GMT
The Restoration Team site mentions the exchange rates at the time made it viable to use Legend Films for re-colourising POTD3.
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Post by John Wall on Feb 14, 2021 15:01:17 GMT
The Restoration Team site mentions the exchange rates at the time made it viable to use Legend Films for re-colourising POTD3. Yep, that’s what I said.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Feb 14, 2021 21:29:11 GMT
'Planet of the Daleks' episode 3 is a stunning restoration. Combining chroma dot colour recovery, with the U.S. company 'Legend Films' re-coulourisation made the episode very close to how it likely originally looked, In it's original Pal video format. Of course, the irony is that many in the U.K were still watching Doctor Who in black and white back in 1973 anyway. So most seen the Pertwee era in colour for the first time many years later! It actually won an award by the DVD industry when it was originally released on it's original DVD release. I forget the company that awarded it,but it was a major award.
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Post by John Wall on Feb 15, 2021 9:46:02 GMT
'Planet of the Daleks' episode 3 is a stunning restoration. Combining chroma dot colour recovery, with the U.S. company 'Legend Films' re-coulourisation made the episode very close to how it likely originally looked, In it's original Pal video format. Of course, the irony is that many in the U.K were still watching Doctor Who in black and white back in 1973 anyway. So most seen the Pertwee era in colour for the first time many years later! It actually won an award by the DVD industry when it was originally released on it's original DVD release. I forget the company that awarded it,but it was a major award. Well deserved 🥇
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Post by Richard Marple on Feb 15, 2021 22:07:54 GMT
Legend almost over-coloured the jungle set,compared to the chroma-dot recovery images.
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Post by stevehoare61 on Feb 16, 2021 7:42:38 GMT
Slightly off target, but kind of relevant, does anyone know whats happening with the Pertwee blu ray box set Season 8? Is it still happening?
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Post by RhysH on Feb 16, 2021 8:31:58 GMT
Slightly off target, but kind of relevant, does anyone know whats happening with the Pertwee blu ray box set Season 8? Is it still happening? Release date according to Amazon is the 8th March, so not long now. Hoping we don't get a late shift in dates like previous sets!
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Post by John Wall on Feb 16, 2021 12:33:06 GMT
I’ve looked at what was done for MoE1 www.impossiblethings.net/restorationteam/TheMindOfEvil.htm“Unfortunately, episode one was originally film recorded via a subcarrier filter, so Colour Recovery cannot be used and artificial colourisation was the only way forward. Initially, we approached Legend Films, who had worked with us on 'Planet of the Daleks' (again see the Dalek War article for full details), but they had priced themselves out of the market. It's possible they simply didn't want to do the work and deliberately increased their prices by a whopping eight times, which was ten times dearer once the change in exchange rate had been factored in. Clearly, they were out of the running. Peter Crocker approached Stuart Humphryes, who had been producing high quality colourisations of Doctor Who clips for a while, under the name of Babelcolour. Stuart agreed to work with Peter, producing hand-coloured key frames which Peter would then 'in-between' using a combination of manual and computer assisted techniques. Over the course of several months, Stuart and Peter worked long days to bring episode one back to colour in remarkable quality. Jonathan Wood tied everything together with a fantastic grade of some really disparate sources and Mark Ayres laboured long and hard to bring life back to a horribly compressed optical film soundtrack.” Not sure what IotD1 would cost but MoE1 is excellent 👍
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Post by bevanthomas on Feb 18, 2021 11:13:43 GMT
Invasion of the Dinosaurs: 1 could do with a bit more work (especially with the blues) but, apart from that one, it's pretty good. I didn't get to see all of Pertwee during our initial broadcasts of his era (1975 - 1977) anyway, so what we have is pretty much as good as I'm expecting to see.
Yeah, the Pert is partwork but pretty good.
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Post by Pete Morris on Feb 19, 2021 13:05:17 GMT
"reverse standards conversion"
is that the one where they take a colour signal from a domestic videotaping of the broadcast episode?
Here's a question I've wondered about. Is there any noticeable difference in quality between Chroma dot, manual colourization, and taking the colour signal from a videotape? If we were to find a videotape of a manual colourized episode, could we make a better version?
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Feb 19, 2021 14:09:31 GMT
Invasion of the Dinosaurs: 1 could do with a bit more work (especially with the blues) but, apart from that one, it's pretty good. I didn't get to see all of Pertwee during our initial broadcasts of his era (1975 - 1977) anyway, so what we have is pretty much as good as I'm expecting to see. Yeah, the Pert is partwork but pretty good. Without the hard work of archivists such as Sue Malden and episode hunters such as Ian Levine it could weel have a been a case of 'baby Jon Pertwee...Jon Pertwee...no more...' Sorry,I've dying to post that for years.
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