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Post by Michael Murtagh on Jun 14, 2018 12:25:50 GMT
Basic revelation in the interview is something a lot of us suspected: There are collectors with missing episodes of Doctor Who. However, Paul is quick to say that the number is really only one, maybe two ... something really low. But it was a direct confirmation that they exist. And, as stated in the interview, these collectors should be thanked. The films are in good condition still. The collectors are not the type of people to pressure ... and I for one don't want to. The only message I'd want to tell them is "thank you" for their passion of collecting and knowledge of keeping things safe. Sorry but whoever has these episodes is scum. Keeping them safe means nothing if they won't ever hand them over. Many fans are being robbed of the chance to view these episodes. Harsh words but its how I feel. It sadden me that one day I will go to my grave without seeing these two episodes because of some selfish bastard. Bit of a senior moment there Stephen what ? I should coco. Though hold up......you're only 39 years old, so we can't put it down to a senior moment. Be aware also that the word you use, fan, is short for fanatic. It's not a good look to be a fanatic of anything, and that includes the good Doctor. Count your blessings, like your health, the roof over your head. Your most fortunate of circumstances could all change in the blink of an eye, and if that happens, you wouldn't give a fiddler's f**k about Doctor Bloody Who.
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Post by Stephen Neve on Jun 14, 2018 12:58:50 GMT
That's not correct. NZBC kept the films until late 1974, and at the BBC's request sent them to the landfill -- the same one that The Lion was found in. [/quote][/p]
BroaDWCast: 'The New Zealand programme purchasers rejected this story in late 1970'. NZBC did not keep every set of prints. Some were sent on to Singapore in two batches, others were kept, others were returned to the UK.
The Missing Episodes BlogSpot strongly suggests that these serials were returned to the UK: 'July [1970] The NZBC in New Zealand sent their 16mm film copies of The Faceless Ones 1 2 3 4 5 6 back to BBC London. This story did not air in New Zealand and the BBC likely requested it be returned for resale, knowing the films hadn’t been attacked by the censor’s knife. It is possible that The Ice Warriors and Fury from the Deep – two stories which also didn’t screen in New Zealand – were also sent back to London.'
Previous stories that were rejected by broadcasters, such as Master Plan in Australia, were likely not kept and returned soon after their rejection.
[/quote] My post is anything but selfish. I strongly believe these episodes should be in the archive for others and future generations to enjoy. It a shame others don't agree but keep on defending hoarders.
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Post by Stephen Neve on Jun 14, 2018 13:15:23 GMT
Sorry but whoever has these episodes is scum. Keeping them safe means nothing if they won't ever hand them over. Many fans are being robbed of the chance to view these episodes. Harsh words but its how I feel. It sadden me that one day I will go to my grave without seeing these two episodes because of some selfish bastard. I disagree. The episode(s) likely wouldn't be here today without them. At the very least, someone else gets to see them. Is the person a bit of a jerk for hoarding? Yeah. But it's their choice, and their right. I probably would do the same if I was in their position. Actually I would just charge people to see the print. I'm evil like that. Then I hope a missing episode never comes into your possession.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jun 14, 2018 13:26:35 GMT
Sorry but whoever has these episodes is scum. Keeping them safe means nothing if they won't ever hand them over. Many fans are being robbed of the chance to view these episodes. Harsh words but its how I feel. It sadden me that one day I will go to my grave without seeing these two episodes because of some selfish bastard. Bit of a senior moment there Stephen what ? I should coco. Though hold up......you're only 39 years old, so we can't put it down to a senior moment. Be aware also that the word you use, fan, is short for fanatic. It's not a good look to be a fanatic of anything, and that includes the good Doctor. Count your blessings, like your health, the roof over your head, . Your most fortunate of circumstances could all change in the blink of any eye, and if that happens, you wouldn't give a fiddler's f**k about Doctor Bloody Who. Very true Michael and well said.No offence to Stephen but your post puts this entire mass obsession into sharp perspective.
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Post by steveb on Jun 14, 2018 19:10:47 GMT
Sorry but whoever has these episodes is scum. Keeping them safe means nothing if they won't ever hand them over. Many fans are being robbed of the chance to view these episodes. Harsh words but its how I feel. It sadden me that one day I will go to my grave without seeing these two episodes because of some selfish bastard. I disagree. The episode(s) likely wouldn't be here today without them. At the very least, someone else gets to see them. Is the person a bit of a jerk for hoarding? Yeah. But it's their choice, and their right. I probably would do the same if I was in their position. Actually I would just charge people to see the print. I'm evil like that. Evil is nothing to be proud of really
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on Jun 14, 2018 20:55:36 GMT
All this talk of Fury makes me so salty that it's gone. I'd give my left hand for that to be found in its entirety.
Side note: Stephen, I understand your frustrations, it's only natural to begrudge them of their hoarding, but saying stuff like that only spurs them on. We can only hope they have a change of heart and decide to share them with us in the future, which would make a lot of people very happy.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jun 14, 2018 21:44:16 GMT
What explanation is there for NZBC holding onto the prints knowing that they either wouldn't or couldn't screen the serial? The Master Plan return from Australia was thought to have been fairly soon after its rejection; I'm interested to know why this precedent wasn't followed in this case. The ABC never had 'Master Plan' in its possession. It was only ever held by the film censor. If there was a precedent to follow, it was one that existed between the censor and the BBC. In terms of NZ keeping rejected prints, it was standard procedure for NZBC to hold onto them indefinitely awaiting for the BBC to send instructions, to either destroy, send somewhere else or to return them.
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Post by John Wall on Jun 14, 2018 21:57:16 GMT
All this talk of Fury makes me so salty that it's gone. I'd give my left hand for that to be found in its entirety. Side note: Stephen, I understand your frustrations, it's only natural to begrudge them of their hoarding, but saying stuff like that only spurs them on. We can only hope they have a change of heart and decide to share them with us in the future, which would make a lot of people very happy. It’s important to remember that Auntie - and other broadcasters - considered these of no value in the past.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jun 14, 2018 22:16:57 GMT
Stupid question of the day, Jon and I were talking off line about Major / Minor Commonwealth Country's so this pops into my mind if Australia rejected the Daleks Master Plan why did not the BBC offer it to New Zealand as it is a Major Commonwealth country, could New Zealand cover the costs of residuals?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jun 14, 2018 22:36:56 GMT
Stupid question of the day, Jon and I were talking off line about Major / Minor Commonwealth Country's so this pops into my mind if Australia rejected the Daleks Master Plan why did not the BBC offer it to New Zealand as it is a Major Commonwealth country, could New Zealand cover the costs of residuals? Terry Nation had withdrawn all Dalek stories from sale in 1966 and 1967, and it wasn't until mid-68 that any were back on the catalogue. By then, the sale of season 3 to NZ had already been completed. Also, NZBC paid a lot less than what the ABC was charged for each episode of DW. And with eleven episodes at the ABC rate, Master Plan would be a very expensive serial to buy.
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on Jun 14, 2018 22:59:52 GMT
All this talk of Fury makes me so salty that it's gone. I'd give my left hand for that to be found in its entirety. Side note: Stephen, I understand your frustrations, it's only natural to begrudge them of their hoarding, but saying stuff like that only spurs them on. We can only hope they have a change of heart and decide to share them with us in the future, which would make a lot of people very happy. It’s important to remember that Auntie - and other broadcasters - considered these of no value in the past. Indeed. I can see why they did it, but there'll always be a bit of salt from me in the regard that it was one of the last serials destroyed. I just wish that it had been at the back of a cupboard like The Ice Warriors and evaded destruction.
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Post by John Wall on Jun 14, 2018 23:09:32 GMT
It’s important to remember that Auntie - and other broadcasters - considered these of no value in the past. Indeed. I can see why they did it, but there'll always be a bit of salt from me in the regard that it was one of the last serials destroyed. I just wish that it had been at the back of a cupboard like The Ice Warriors and evaded destruction. I was talking in general.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jun 14, 2018 23:12:36 GMT
Stupid question of the day, Jon and I were talking off line about Major / Minor Commonwealth Country's so this pops into my mind if Australia rejected the Daleks Master Plan why did not the BBC offer it to New Zealand as it is a Major Commonwealth country, could New Zealand cover the costs of residuals? Terry Nation had withdrawn all Dalek stories from sale in 1966 and 1967, and it wasn't until mid-68 that any were back on the catalogue. By then, the sale of season 3 to NZ had already been completed. Also, NZBC paid a lot less than what the ABC was charged for each episode of DW. And with eleven episodes at the ABC rate, Master Plan would be a very expensive serial to buy. Oh well There goes that theory I had forgotten how far New Zealand was behind Australia by that time. So in short the purchase price of Dr. Who and I will assume other BBC-TV series varied even between major Commonwealth Country's. Makes me wonder what the cost for 4 episodes' of Dr. Who back then would be for Australia, New Zealand and Canada (which I assume is a major Commonwealth Country even though its stopped airing the series) Jon any chance that New Zealand would have cleared DMP had it been offered ?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jun 14, 2018 23:22:16 GMT
If offered, I'm sure they'd have at least acquired the films for assessment. But since the NZ censors had given 'Dalek Invasion of Earth' a "Y" classification, it's more than likely that 'Master Plan' would have got the same, in which case it would not have been screened.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jun 14, 2018 23:31:03 GMT
Between Australia and New Zealand's censors god knows how many potential sales of episodes were lost to the rest of the world that no longer exist
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