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Post by Chris Wilkinson on Feb 27, 2018 0:58:54 GMT
Ah. Maybe I misconstrued. In which case the outlook is even bleaker. Not at all. The future is about as bleak as November 2013 was. "Expect the unexpected" we've been told by the man who gave us a huge indication (9 episodes) of there being more where that lot came from (obviously, lol). This man goes out to a region not previously traversed on foot by episode-hunters. He doesn't sit at home speculating what in all likelihood has happened to the Hong Kong, Zambia and Singapore etc. prints. Instead he goes out, putting his life in danger, to find out the hard truth, first hand. As he did with Sierra Leone. 5 years of no news is a good thing. Give me 5 more if it means more recovered episodes need frame-by-frame restoration and further loose ends need to be tied-up in terms of making up complete serials. I don't know where the word hoarding comes into this. Storing, more like, and storing safely away from grabbing hands (WOF3) and rumour-mongering (Bleeding Cool etc.). There's less evidence for nothing coming back than there is for some more missing Who actually coming back. Orphan episodes, the odd one now and then would be great. But here we are looking at a different sphere completely, based on the evidence of 9 recovered episodes from overseas, no less, and also that fans of all missing TV are going to be happy with the eventual outcome. I think I'm very happy so far. These episodes went out in huge quantities to the regions we know of, regions which he has searched. The episodes didn't go off to some unknown planet light years away with no hope of anyone ever getting to them. We were also told, if any can recall, that the next announcement from Phil will be non-Who related. So that is to come first before Who. So an even longer wait. So, meanwhile, let's hope then that some of those lost episodes of The Wednesday Play are going to be announced next? I think the best way of putting it is that it seems as though the missing episodes recovery has been in suspended animation for the past five years. I understand that five years of no news is a good thing. What with new recovery techniques such as x-raying highly damaged film prints to get an individual frame reconstruction, any finds of the future will benefit from technologies which improve the chances of a successful recovery.
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Post by martinjwills on Feb 27, 2018 10:10:34 GMT
Phil [in a radio interview] has stated that he will now only return complete stories, or episodes that will make complete stories, after the Web3 events, so nobody knows how many or if any are near complete. I hope that any Dr Who returned as rolls of tar, have not been binned, like the M&W was nearly binned. I remember a Pertwee being mentioned as returned in a similar state, but was not missing or needed for chroma dot recovery. Im sure any damaged rolls of missing episodes will be kept after the success of the M&W print. We also dont know what was found by digging up the desert, but stuff was recovered from years in the sand.
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Post by cjones on Feb 27, 2018 13:06:18 GMT
Stuff was recovered from years in the sand? Did he say that?
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Post by martinjwills on Feb 27, 2018 14:31:10 GMT
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Post by andyc on Feb 27, 2018 14:49:08 GMT
Phil [in a radio interview] has stated that he will now only return complete stories, or episodes that will make complete stories I hope this isn't literally the case. It means, theoretically, he could find:- 6 out of 7 missing Marco Polo episodes 3 out of 4 missing Myth Makers episodes 5 out of 6 missing Power of the Daleks episodes 3 out of 4 missing Macra Terror episodes 5 out of 6 missing Evil of the Daleks episodes and he wouldn't return them?
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Post by zaqwilson on Feb 27, 2018 15:28:55 GMT
Phil [in a radio interview] has stated that he will now only return complete stories, or episodes that will make complete stories I hope this isn't literally the case. It means, theoretically, he could find:- 6 out of 7 missing Marco Polo episodes 3 out of 4 missing Myth Makers episodes 5 out of 6 missing Power of the Daleks episodes 3 out of 4 missing Macra Terror episodes 5 out of 6 missing Evil of the Daleks episodes and he wouldn't return them? It sounds possible. I may be in the minority, but I believe he has a few orphans that might only see the light of day once the search is "over", say couple more decades.
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Post by Rich Cornock on Feb 27, 2018 18:01:08 GMT
author=" martinjwills"]Phil [in a radio interview] has stated that he will now only return complete stories, or episodes that will make complete stories[/quote] Which radio interview was this. I find it highly unlikely he would say this. Why would he only return complete stories/episodes when every doctor who fan is crying out for any snippet they can get. There isn't much point in holding on to recovered material
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Post by John Wall on Feb 27, 2018 18:09:35 GMT
There have been a few odd things said by, or attributed to, PM - perhaps we should all be looking for large quantities of Sodium Chloride ?
If, for example, another episode of Underwater Menace tutrned up it could be completed by animating one episode.
However, checking TV stations is more likely to result in complete stories imho.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 19:25:05 GMT
Phil [in a radio interview] has stated that he will now only return complete stories, or episodes that will make complete stories I hope this isn't literally the case. It means, theoretically, he could find:- 6 out of 7 missing Marco Polo episodes 3 out of 4 missing Myth Makers episodes 5 out of 6 missing Power of the Daleks episodes 3 out of 4 missing Macra Terror episodes 5 out of 6 missing Evil of the Daleks episodes and he wouldn't return them? Not if he's still undergoing confidential negotiations or following leads to bring those recoveries to completion. No, I'll wait. I want a complete Space Pirates in 2028, not 2 eps and animation in 2020, thanks.
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Post by richardwoods on Feb 27, 2018 20:04:50 GMT
I hope this isn't literally the case. It means, theoretically, he could find:- 6 out of 7 missing Marco Polo episodes 3 out of 4 missing Myth Makers episodes 5 out of 6 missing Power of the Daleks episodes 3 out of 4 missing Macra Terror episodes 5 out of 6 missing Evil of the Daleks episodes and he wouldn't return them? Not if he's still undergoing confidential negotiations or following leads to bring those recoveries to completion. No, I'll wait. I want a complete Space Pirates in 2028, not 2 eps and animation in 2020, thanks. Personally, both would do nicely. What's to stop multiple releases of the same story? Enemy SE anyone? Some of us aren't getting any younger you know!
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Post by andyeves on Feb 28, 2018 2:01:51 GMT
Not if he's still undergoing confidential negotiations or following leads to bring those recoveries to completion. No, I'll wait. I want a complete Space Pirates in 2028, not 2 eps and animation in 2020, thanks. Personally, both would do nicely. What's to stop multiple releases of the same story? Enemy SE anyone? Some of us aren't getting any younger you know! I don't think ANY of us are getting any younger, are we?!? LOL! I agree with your point though and I made a similar one after Deborah Watling's passing. Whilst I support Phil in whatever approach he deems best to protect his ongoing operation, hopefully he'll also realise that those who would arguably most want to see any ME he may have found are no spring chickens. The longer he leaves it then the greater the possibility that some will miss out.
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Post by John Wall on Feb 28, 2018 10:17:15 GMT
Personally, both would do nicely. What's to stop multiple releases of the same story? Enemy SE anyone? Some of us aren't getting any younger you know! I don't think ANY of us are getting any younger, are we?!? LOL! I agree with your point though and I made a similar one after Deborah Watling's passing. Whilst I support Phil in whatever approach he deems best to protect his ongoing operation, hopefully he'll also realise that those who would arguably most want to see any ME he may have found are no spring chickens. The longer he leaves it then the greater the possibility that some will miss out. All of this is predicated on the assumption that PM has recovered one or more MEs and is sitting on them. Other than a few vague and sometimes contradictory comments and a lot of wishful thinking there is nothing to substantiate that. It should be clear by now that Auntie doesn’t give “rewards” for returning MEs but, as the copyright holder, is the only one who can make money from them. For many Web of Fear was close to a “holy grail” - but that was returned about as quickly as possible, after fighting the Nigerian bureaucracy ! Dr Who prints are like hen’s teeth - there are film collectors who’ve been around for decades and have dealt with thousands of prints but never seen one. Marco Polo was shown in twenty three foreign countries but the Broadwcast page gallifreybase.com/w/index.php/Marco_Polo reckons that there might have only been seven ses of prints. Some stories had even less:-(
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Post by cjones on Feb 28, 2018 12:51:00 GMT
[/quote]All of this is predicated on the assumption that PM has recovered one or more MEs and is sitting on them. Other than a few vague and sometimes contradictory comments and a lot of wishful thinking there is nothing to substantiate that.[/quote]
Quite. That was the point I was trying to make earlier. Other than the vaguest possibility of Marco Polo having been kept back due to damage, it is as you say wishful thinking to assume Mr. Morris has more episodes. That leaves chance discoveries of orphan episodes as the best bet.
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Post by John Wall on Feb 28, 2018 13:33:29 GMT
All of this is predicated on the assumption that PM has recovered one or more MEs and is sitting on them. Other than a few vague and sometimes contradictory comments and a lot of wishful thinking there is nothing to substantiate that.[/quote] Quite. That was the point I was trying to make earlier. Other than the vaguest possibility of Marco Polo having been kept back due to damage, it is as you say wishful thinking to assume Mr. Morris has more episodes. That leaves chance discoveries of orphan episodes as the best bet. [/quote] There are other Season 5 stories last seen in Nigeria but I’m, as I’ve said before, concerned about odd episodes in private collections where the owner doesn’t know they’re missing - like Airlock and UM2.
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Post by andyeves on Feb 28, 2018 13:43:39 GMT
I don't think ANY of us are getting any younger, are we?!? LOL! I agree with your point though and I made a similar one after Deborah Watling's passing. Whilst I support Phil in whatever approach he deems best to protect his ongoing operation, hopefully he'll also realise that those who would arguably most want to see any ME he may have found are no spring chickens. The longer he leaves it then the greater the possibility that some will miss out. All of this is predicated on the assumption that PM has recovered one or more MEs and is sitting on them. Yes, obviously! ... which is why I used the phrase "... any ME he may have found ..." If he hasn't found (and doesn't find) anything then it's all academic.
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