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Post by andyeves on Feb 28, 2018 14:12:40 GMT
Everyone is free to read what they want into Phil's comments, and it may be that he's recovered no ME (DW & non-DW). However, for me, one of his most encouraging comments to date is "We've got a few surprises … let's just say that. We've got a few surprises …"
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Post by John Wall on Feb 28, 2018 15:33:05 GMT
Everyone is free to read what they want into Phil's comments, and it may be that he's recovered no ME (DW & non-DW). However, for me, one of his most encouraging comments to date is "We've got a few surprises … let's just say that. We've got a few surprises …"There are lots of other important things missing - and not just from the BBC !
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Post by Richard Develyn on Feb 28, 2018 15:55:11 GMT
Just to add to this debate, I think that interest in MEs and old TV in general is fading, as you'd expect with all the entertainment that is currently on offer to today's generations.
So it could well be that if Evil resurfaced in 20 years time there'd be very few who'd appreciate it.
I've certainly seen a marked decline in interest in old Doctor Who from people in their 20s and 30s, in the last 20 years or so.
Which is good if you think someone might be holding on to MEs as an investment, because, quite frankly, it isn't.
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Post by Natalie Sinead on Feb 28, 2018 17:39:24 GMT
Richard D. is right - older TV, films and music largely appeal to older people. That's not ageism, that's reality.
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Post by Richard Marple on Feb 28, 2018 18:03:47 GMT
It doesn't mention anything about being mistaken for cricket footage, or is that just an urban myth?!
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Post by andyeves on Feb 28, 2018 18:06:40 GMT
Everyone is free to read what they want into Phil's comments, and it may be that he's recovered no ME (DW & non-DW). However, for me, one of his most encouraging comments to date is "We've got a few surprises … let's just say that. We've got a few surprises …"There are lots of other important things missing - and not just from the BBC ! Indeed. But whether it's BBC or non-BBC, DW or non-DW, an episode that is not currently in the archives is by definition a ME. I'm confident that Phil has found something, although whether that's DW, other BBC, non-BBC ... or other missing material remains to be seen.
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Post by John Wall on Feb 28, 2018 18:47:03 GMT
There are lots of other important things missing - and not just from the BBC ! Indeed. But whether it's BBC or non-BBC, DW or non-DW, an episode that is not currently in the archives is by definition a ME. I'm confident that Phil has found something, although whether that's DW, other BBC, non-BBC ... or other missing material remains to be seen. Personally I’d be happy with some more Morecambe and Wise:+)
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Post by Mike Biggs on Feb 28, 2018 23:20:18 GMT
Just to add to this debate, I think that interest in MEs and old TV in general is fading, as you'd expect with all the entertainment that is currently on offer to today's generations. So it could well be that if Evil resurfaced in 20 years time there'd be very few who'd appreciate it. I've certainly seen a marked decline in interest in old Doctor Who from people in their 20s and 30s, in the last 20 years or so. Which is good if you think someone might be holding on to MEs as an investment, because, quite frankly, it isn't. richard I know what you mean. I'm in my late thirties and enjoy old Doctor Who. But I'm in NZ and TVNZ repeated all existing Doctor Who episodes from 1985 so I have fond memories of Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker to fall back on. The newer generations don't have that and some may have issues with the production quality when watching older shows. But after saying that, look at Star Trek. It has a huge fan base and there is still a fair bit of interest in the first tv show. Is it a similar case with Doctor Who, or is the new show too different to the old one for fans to be interested?
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Post by John Wall on Feb 28, 2018 23:28:24 GMT
Just to add to this debate, I think that interest in MEs and old TV in general is fading, as you'd expect with all the entertainment that is currently on offer to today's generations. So it could well be that if Evil resurfaced in 20 years time there'd be very few who'd appreciate it. I've certainly seen a marked decline in interest in old Doctor Who from people in their 20s and 30s, in the last 20 years or so. Which is good if you think someone might be holding on to MEs as an investment, because, quite frankly, it isn't. richard I know what you mean. I'm in my late thirties and enjoy old Doctor Who. But I'm in NZ and TVNZ repeated all existing Doctor Who episodes from 1985 so I have fond memories of Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker to fall back on. The newer generations don't have that and some may have issues with the production quality when watching older shows. But after saying that, look at Star Trek. It has a huge fan base and there is still a fair bit of interest in the first tv show. Is it a similar case with Doctor Who, or is the new show too different to the old one for fans to be interested? I’m mid 50s and just can’t get into the new show - although I’ve tried. I thought Christopher Eccleston was good as a thug in a suit and Matt Smith as a young fogey - but I make no effort to watch it and haven’t seen an episode for several years. If I’m at a loose end I’ll put on Pertwee or Baker - they’re who I grew up with:-)
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Post by tom rogers on Mar 1, 2018 0:29:45 GMT
I know what you mean. I'm in my late thirties and enjoy old Doctor Who. But I'm in NZ and TVNZ repeated all existing Doctor Who episodes from 1985 so I have fond memories of Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker to fall back on. The newer generations don't have that and some may have issues with the production quality when watching older shows. But after saying that, look at Star Trek. It has a huge fan base and there is still a fair bit of interest in the first tv show. Is it a similar case with Doctor Who, or is the new show too different to the old one for fans to be interested? I’m mid 50s and just can’t get into the new show - although I’ve tried. I thought Christopher Eccleston was good as a thug in a suit and Matt Smith as a young fogey - but I make no effort to watch it and haven’t seen an episode for several years. If I’m at a loose end I’ll put on Pertwee or Baker - they’re who I grew up with:-) When I read your post, John, it sounded so familiar to me that I had a moment where I thought, "Jeez. I don't remember writing that." Your experience (and age) and mine sound very similar. I have tried, too, but I just cannot get into the new show. I wish them all success but I prefer to stick to the Magnificent Seven
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Post by John Wall on Mar 1, 2018 10:11:16 GMT
I’m mid 50s and just can’t get into the new show - although I’ve tried. I thought Christopher Eccleston was good as a thug in a suit and Matt Smith as a young fogey - but I make no effort to watch it and haven’t seen an episode for several years. If I’m at a loose end I’ll put on Pertwee or Baker - they’re who I grew up with:-) When I read your post, John, it sounded so familiar to me that I had a moment where I thought, "Jeez. I don't remember writing that." Your experience (and age) and mine sound very similar. I have tried, too, but I just cannot get into the new show. I wish them all success but I prefer to stick to the Magnificent Seven Aren’t we a sad lot....... I’m absolutely delighted that the Doctor is on at peak time on a Saturday night, a”flagship” show - as it was in the past - getting good reviews and audiences, but..... it’s not the show I grew up with:-(
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 12:31:52 GMT
There are lots of other important things missing - and not just from the BBC ! Indeed. But whether it's BBC or non-BBC, DW or non-DW, an episode that is not currently in the archives is by definition a ME. I'm confident that Phil has found something, although whether that's DW, other BBC, non-BBC ... or other missing material remains to be seen. Yes, it's Doctor Who, as he's answered the question "When are we getting some more Doctor Who?" with "When you least expect it." It's definately not in doubt about more Who recoveries, and 9 missing episodes is money-where-your-mouth-is proof that more lost Who is on the way.
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Post by John Wall on Mar 1, 2018 12:42:17 GMT
Indeed. But whether it's BBC or non-BBC, DW or non-DW, an episode that is not currently in the archives is by definition a ME. I'm confident that Phil has found something, although whether that's DW, other BBC, non-BBC ... or other missing material remains to be seen. Yes, it's Doctor Who, as he's answered the question "When are we getting some more Doctor Who?" with "When you least expect it." It's definately not in doubt about more Who recoveries, and 9 missing episodes is money-where-your-mouth-is proof that more lost Who is on the way. That could mean anything. It’s over six years since he first located Enemy and Web and he’s now been chasing Web 3 for about five. I read it as no news is good news. There is absolutely no reason - unless you’re a conspiracy theorist - for him to hold onto anything. If he had a complete story that could be released, if he found odd episodes there are still things that could be done. However, as he’s been investigating TV stations it’s far more likely that complete stories would turn up - Nigeria, in particular, has been a gold mine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 16:22:37 GMT
Yes, it's Doctor Who, as he's answered the question "When are we getting some more Doctor Who?" with "When you least expect it." It's definately not in doubt about more Who recoveries, and 9 missing episodes is money-where-your-mouth-is proof that more lost Who is on the way. That could mean anything. It’s over six years since he first located Enemy and Web and he’s now been chasing Web 3 for about five. I read it as no news is good news. There is absolutely no reason - unless you’re a conspiracy theorist - for him to hold onto anything. If he had a complete story that could be released, if he found odd episodes there are still things that could be done. However, as he’s been investigating TV stations it’s far more likely that complete stories would turn up - Nigeria, in particular, has been a gold mine. He said please be patient the wind is blowing in the right direction. Unfortunately in this day of the instant-everything patience is a lost virtue. I hate waiting. I want a complete Space Pirates like yestereday. He also said that one day all the questions regarding his search and the time span will be answered. So I guess we will get to hear the reason why he has not released anything else since 2013. I have a feeling that the internet leaks and the theft of material has some part in this delay. Maybe also trying to fill in as many complete story gaps as possible to the last minute too? I also heard someone speculate that, technically, releasing one complete story could potential jepordise any tentative negotiations for retrieving two or three other complete stories from the same confidential source.
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Mar 1, 2018 16:53:00 GMT
As I said at the height of the Omnishambles, the fan fervid/rabid reaction to it could have been a deciding factor in the silence we now have. One thing it would have said to any potential seller that there was a bigger value attached to the items. When my company were selling of assets, it took months. There were secret meetings going on all the time. The big ones were in a meeting room that has glass that turns white at the touch of a button. And this was selling one brand to another company. PM has to work with lots of companies to negotiate with. There will be negotiations, non disclosure agreements etc. I think when WoF & EotW were released that could have damaged further negotiations. Of course it's nice to have them, but they may also have been the tar pit that has slowed things down. They are only my opinions. I could be so far off the mark I could hit the moon instead of my intended target.
Alan
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