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Post by ajsmith on Dec 8, 2016 10:13:20 GMT
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Post by RWels on Dec 8, 2016 10:38:29 GMT
Hm, if I was pessimistic then I'd say, this will be 20 seconds of unseen footage and 20 minutes of people chatting about it.
And the Australian sketches have in fact never been lost (and are mostly reuse of existing material). Why don't they just repeat some actual episodes, "or perhaps I'm very old-fashioned"?
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Post by ajsmith on Dec 8, 2016 10:54:03 GMT
Hm, if I was pessimistic then I'd say, this will be 20 seconds of unseen footage and 20 minutes of people chatting about it. And the Australian sketches have in fact never been lost (and are mostly reuse of existing material). Why don't they just repeat some actual episodes, "or perhaps I'm very old-fashioned"? I wonder if it will feature the silent sketches matched back up with soundtracks from S1 E5 that were claimed to have been in the Victor Lewis Smith special, but in fact were not? |
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Post by John Green on Dec 8, 2016 11:03:56 GMT
It sounds hopeful that it's called "The Missing Sketches".
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Post by RWels on Dec 8, 2016 11:15:26 GMT
Hm, if I was pessimistic then I'd say, this will be 20 seconds of unseen footage and 20 minutes of people chatting about it. And the Australian sketches have in fact never been lost (and are mostly reuse of existing material). Why don't they just repeat some actual episodes, "or perhaps I'm very old-fashioned"? I wonder if it will feature the silent sketches matched back up with soundtracks from S1 E5 that were claimed to have been in the Victor Lewis Smith special, but in fact were not? Well, I hope so of course, but I won't bet on it. It sounds hopeful that it's called "The Missing Sketches". Things have been promoted as "missing&recovered" that never actually were. Years and years ago there was "Pete and Dud, the lost tapes", also showing Australian footage. Well, at least it will be the first time it gets shown in the UK for a long time. But it's this strange phenomenon that talking about a show has become more interesting than actually showing it. It's the curse of Monty Python. But that has been often repeated while these shows haven't. |
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Post by richardfitzgerald on Dec 22, 2016 0:44:25 GMT
People seem to have low expectations of this but I wonder if the inclusion of Dick Clement as an interviewee is a clue they have found missing material from the second season of Not Only which he produced? I also remember that Phil Morris referenced what a fan he was of NOBA in one recent interview - could we finally be seeing some of the fruits of his non-DW related investigations?
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Post by williammuirhead on Dec 22, 2016 8:05:08 GMT
New article in the last few hours from the Guardian (according to Google, at least): search engine description text includes 'Lost for decades, nine sketches from the series Not Only, But Also were recently found in a ...'
Not being a subscriber (perhaps I should be...) I can't access the article itself. Still, the terms 'nine sketches' and 'recently found' seem encouragingly specific. Anyone able to read the full article willing to provide further details?
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Post by williammuirhead on Dec 22, 2016 8:29:03 GMT
Got that subscription out of pure impatience: not much more to the blurb - 'Lost for decades, nine sketches from the series Not Only, But Also were recently found in a basement.' From previous PR for the show, which mentions 'Dud playing piano' and a sketch with Barry Humphries, this may well turn out to be the two NOBA Australian specials (which have always existed) discovered in second prints, poorly reported. I, for once, choose to be optimistic.
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Post by RWels on Dec 22, 2016 8:57:11 GMT
Dud playing the piano? Well that narrows it down, doesn't it?  |
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Post by williammuirhead on Dec 25, 2016 8:08:45 GMT
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Post by williammuirhead on Dec 25, 2016 8:19:46 GMT
Oh, and on a connected topic (discussed in context of 'The Undiscovered Peter Cook', but I assume it's okay to continue the conversation here) - I've been doing a bit of digging around online and in my notes - recently augmented by new info generously provided by a fellow NOBA fan - and it looks like the mute sketches from Series 1 Episode 5 ('Canvassing Dracula', 'Cigarette Advertising' etc) we hoped would be included in 'Undiscovered' can't actually be reconstituted from the off-airs and film clips.
In 2010, when Graham Webb's off-airs of 11 NOBAs were uncovered, Wipednews published the linked article giving a run-down of what audio and video material then existed (https://wipednews.com/2010/11/02/audio-recordings-of-not-only-but-also-episodes-found/)and s01e05 was the only episode not to have any known off-air recordings.
It is true that since then additional sound recordings from Australia have come to light, but the only sketch from this installment I can verify was recovered as part of the Aussie batch is 'On the Bus' (the sound for which seems to match up with the audio used in 'Undiscovered', drop-outs, audio tone and all). Which would unfortunately seem to suggest that these surviving mute film clips must, for now, remain so - ironically enough, the one episode we have silent visual material for is also the one with the least amount of off-air audio.
Happy to be wrong on this, of course!
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Post by williammuirhead on Dec 25, 2016 8:38:36 GMT
I wonder if the inclusion of Dick Clement as an interviewee is a clue they have found missing material from the second season of Not Only which he produced? A nice observation - and note this statement from the article I posted above: 'sketches which were thought to have been lost forever, some not seen for over 50 years.' This being 2016, if we assume accuracy, then ' some' of these clips must date from 1966 or before. If we similarly assume the Guardian was earlier correct that 'nine sketches from the series Not Only, But Also were recently found in a basement', then that means we're definitely getting something back from series one, series two, or both. Assuming accuracy, of course. |
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Post by RWels on Dec 25, 2016 21:08:29 GMT
Oh, and on a connected topic (discussed in context of 'The Undiscovered Peter Cook', but I assume it's okay to continue the conversation here) - I've been doing a bit of digging around online and in my notes - recently augmented by new info generously provided by a fellow NOBA fan - and it looks like the mute sketches from Series 1 Episode 5 ('Canvassing Dracula', 'Cigarette Advertising' etc) we hoped would be included in 'Undiscovered' can't actually be reconstituted from the off-airs and film clips. In 2010, when Graham Webb's off-airs of 11 NOBAs were uncovered, Wipednews published the linked article giving a run-down of what audio and video material then existed (https://wipednews.com/2010/11/02/audio-recordings-of-not-only-but-also-episodes-found/)and s01e05 was the only episode not to have any known off-air recordings. It is true that since then additional sound recordings from Australia have come to light, but the only sketch from this installment I can verify was recovered as part of the Aussie batch is 'On the Bus' (the sound for which seems to match up with the audio used in 'Undiscovered', drop-outs, audio tone and all). Which would unfortunately seem to suggest that these surviving mute film clips must, for now, remain so - ironically enough, the one episode we have silent visual material for is also the one with the least amount of off-air audio. Happy to be wrong on this, of course! It's possible there is still a third source of audio. Apart from that one year with Graham Webb (and others), we don't have any reports on what was or wasn't found. |
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Post by richardfitzgerald on Dec 26, 2016 11:53:10 GMT
Brief trailer last night showed a NOBA intro I didn't recognize - two packing crates in a studio, one tall labelled Not Only,the other short labelled But Also. Presumably with Cook and Moore inside them. Could this be from a season two episode?
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Post by John Green on Dec 26, 2016 12:27:42 GMT
A reminder that it's on on Saturday,New Year's Eve,at 8 p.m.Channel 4.
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