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Post by scotttelfer on Sept 3, 2016 23:28:42 GMT
I don't know what he means by "when you least expect it", as for me every second of every day is as likely or unlikely to carry an announcement about missing Dr Who as any other. However, I wish Phil all the luck in the world. He sounded like a real gentleman, too, and I hope one day to meet him so that I can tell him face to face just how grateful I am for what he's doing. Richard I think the idea is to prevent another leak. Everyone knew Enemy and Web were coming, when even the Radio Times were reporting on it in advance then something has gone horribly wrong. He wants to spring it as a surprise to prove a point about how important archiving is and preserving old material by making a big song and dance rather than a slow build up.
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Post by John Green on Sept 4, 2016 0:18:58 GMT
It would be too,too,obvious to announce it on November 23rd,so it'll be any day but that.November 23rd is the one day it won't be.Nope,not that day.
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Post by ianphillips on Sept 4, 2016 14:16:44 GMT
It would be too,too,obvious to announce it on November 23rd,so it'll be any day but that.November 23rd is the one day it won't be.Nope,not that day. Unless of course they do choose that day because no one will think it wil be on that day because it it too obvious.
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Post by mat walker on Sept 4, 2016 15:37:35 GMT
I don't want to be the harbinger of doom, but I was at the Bournemouth film and comicon today and peter purves was there.I said what a shame it was that a lot of his episodes were missing.He said it was.He also said that he heard they had found this one.He pointed to a photo of the massacre but that it was beyond repair.When he said that it hit home just what a hopeless task this all is.I mean its hard enough to find these things after all this time,but to find them and for them to be repairable as well after all this time is nigh on impossible.It also made me think what aa minor miracle phill morris and his team pulled of finding web and enemy when they did.
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Post by thomgray on Sept 4, 2016 15:48:52 GMT
He also said that he heard they had found this one.He pointed to a photo of the massacre but that it was beyond repair. This is probably a question for another thread, but in what does it mean when they say film is not repairable? Even if individual frames were the only thing salvageable, they match the quality of a telesnap? I have this image in my head of film that is so decayed it falls apart when you touch it, like in The Time Machine when the main character visits the library and goes to lift a book from a shelf and it collapses into dust. Also, if anyone remembers the story of The Lost World of Mitchell and Kenyon, then maybe there is hope yet to find footage
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Post by John Green on Sept 4, 2016 15:52:32 GMT
I don't want to be the harbinger of doom, but I was at the Bournemouth film and comicon today and peter purves was there.I said what a shame it was that a lot of his episodes were missing.He said it was.He also said that he heard they had found this one.He pointed to a photo of the massacre but that it was beyond repair.When he said that it hit home just what a hopeless task this all is.I mean its hard enough to find these things after all this time,but to find them and for them to be repairable as well after all this time is nigh on impossible.It also made me think what aa minor miracle phill morris and his team pulled of finding web and enemy when they did. In the right conditions,century-old film has turned up viable.Restoration can do wonders,too e.g. with Web and Enemy. Hopefully,Web 3 has had some TLC in the last couple of years.PM's optimism suggests not just that the physical reel survives,but that it is still/now playable.
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Post by cjones on Sept 4, 2016 18:58:14 GMT
I don't want to be the harbinger of doom, but I was at the Bournemouth film and comicon today and peter purves was there.I said what a shame it was that a lot of his episodes were missing.He said it was.He also said that he heard they had found this one.He pointed to a photo of the massacre but that it was beyond repair. Never heard that one before. According to the Missing Episodes blog, only three copies of the serial did the rounds overseas, but interestingly, there are question marks hanging over the fate of one of those sets of prints. One went to the ABC in Australia, and is recorded as having been junked in 1976 (although it's worth noting The Celestial Toymaker 4 supposedly suffered the same fate and was subsequently rediscovered). A second copy of The Massacre wended its way through Barbados, Zambia and Sierra Leone before being returned to the BBC in 1974. The third copy of prints is the most interesting. After being screened in New Zealand, it was sent to Singapore, where it was shown in December 1972. Nothing else is known of its whereabouts. missingepisodes.blogspot.com/p/howmanyprints.html
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Post by cjones on Sept 4, 2016 19:58:31 GMT
As an adjunct to the above, the serial which has the most chance of being recovered (according to number of prints struck) is Marco Polo; nine sets are known to have been made for overseas markets. The next most numerous serial is The Reign of Terror, with eight prints, and The Crusades, with six.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Sept 4, 2016 20:25:00 GMT
I absolutely love the Phillip Morris interview at the Starburst convention.So entertaining and informative.Philip Morris is the perfect companion to the missing episode saga.So passionate and driven. He encapsulates the missing episode hunter in all Dr Who fans-he's doing what we could only dream of doing,if work and paying the bills didn't get in the way.He really should be given a gong for his services to not only the UK but developing countries overseas-a real humanitarian and his actions have a truly cultural effect on these countries which can only be advantageous to all of us and a blow against all the nonsense going on around the world. I know I sound overly serious and perhaps read to much into his efforts but he is in his own way a soldier.
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Post by simonashby on Sept 4, 2016 20:38:05 GMT
Knowing how I work, I'd want to keep quiet about any partial finds until I knew all realistic avenues were chased up. So I'm pretty understanding with what Phil is doing. I expect we'll hear about any damaged prints, and eventually see any clips/remnants or frames in time - or even just being told of them in the story leading up to finding an intact copy! the serial which has the most chance of being recovered (according to number of prints struck) is Marco Polo This is often said. However in reality it's a meaningless yardstick.
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Post by Richard Marple on Sept 4, 2016 22:03:34 GMT
As an adjunct to the above, the serial which has the most chance of being recovered (according to number of prints struck) is Marco Polo; nine sets are known to have been made for overseas markets. The next most numerous serial is The Reign of Terror, with eight prints, and The Crusades, with six. It's interesting that these were all historicals, which seemed not do so well in some export markets.
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Post by cjones on Sept 4, 2016 22:36:32 GMT
the serial which has the most chance of being recovered (according to number of prints struck) is Marco Polo This is often said. However in reality it's a meaningless yardstick. I wasn't really trying to claim it as a yardstick per se. After all, who could have predicted that an episode of DMP would have turned up in 2004 when only one overseas copy was issued? There is no way of truly assessing the chances of finding episode X or serial Y given the parameters of a search that takes in several dozen countries across the world. But it follows that there is a greater chance of survival of a given serial if more copies were made of it in the first place.
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Post by scotttelfer on Sept 4, 2016 22:38:39 GMT
As an adjunct to the above, the serial which has the most chance of being recovered (according to number of prints struck) is Marco Polo; nine sets are known to have been made for overseas markets. The next most numerous serial is The Reign of Terror, with eight prints, and The Crusades, with six. It's interesting that these were all historicals, which seemed not do so well in some export markets. It's more to do with how the sales worked. Early on they were sold primarily as blocks of episodes. You'd buy the first 13 episodes, if you wanted more they'd send you Marco Polo and The Keys of Marinus. When it did start to come down to per serial basis they started to fall out. Those three stories were all intentionally excluded from the dubbed versions for example. The fact they are still missing in spite of the large number of copies is telling.
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Post by andyeves on Sept 5, 2016 1:18:42 GMT
I don't want to be the harbinger of doom, but I was at the Bournemouth film and comicon today and peter purves was there.I said what a shame it was that a lot of his episodes were missing.He said it was.He also said that he heard they had found this one.He pointed to a photo of the massacre but that it was beyond repair.When he said that it hit home just what a hopeless task this all is.I mean its hard enough to find these things after all this time,but to find them and for them to be repairable as well after all this time is nigh on impossible.It also made me think what aa minor miracle phill morris and his team pulled of finding web and enemy when they did. Maybe he's just been listening to the omnirumour? ... or starting one himself! Did he reveal his source, given that Phil is revealing very little at present? It does highlight a valid point of the enormity of the task facing Phil though as it is not just a case of finding these film cans, but what state will they now be in after so many years. With something like The Massacre especially, even if a few frames could be salvaged then that would be a worthwhile find.
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Post by cjones on Sept 5, 2016 3:14:59 GMT
What would happen if an episode were found that was in such poor condition that it was impossible to clean it up to the usual standard? The peculiar thing about that is that even a release of poor quality would almost certainly find a market of some sort, because fans have longed after these episodes for so long that I think most of us would shell out even for a bad - perhaps even a very bad - recording. I wasn't a fan in the 1980s, but AIUI, some pirate VHS copies of serials were extremely degraded after several generations of copies, yet were sought after anyway. A good example of how dyed-in-the-wool fans are willing to compromise on recording quality if superior recordings are unavailable is the Steptoe and Son DVD releases. Around a dozen of the episodes from the 1970 and 1971 seasons only exist thanks to recordings made by a BBC engineer on a Shibaden SV-700 reel-to-reel at the request of the writers, who wanted a copy of their work for posterity: eandt.theiet.org/blog/blogpost.cfm?threadid=54239&catid=397I have copies of these, and they're not so bad. But then again, they have been well kept over the years; presumably a recording badly damaged by vinegar syndrome - like the one Mr Morris apparently found of a Pertwee serial somewhere in Africa (?) - would be far worse. How bad does bad have to get before a) the BBC decide it's not worth their while to release the work; and b) recovery is not possible at all?
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