Was anything shown at MBW?

[John Wall]

Dec 21, 2013 21:41:23 GMT David Robinson said:

Dec 21, 2013 21:20:44 GMT Paul Vanezis said:

Don't do it again.

Theres probably only 9999 cans returned so you can say you didn't lie again. After the Web denial is there any wonder people find your comments hard to believe without going over with a fine tooth comb?

As nobody at MBW mentioned 10,000 - or Zambia - there is nothing to be concerned about. If you look back Paul said that he'd love to say that all of Web had been recovered, but it hadn't. That was accurate - Part 3 is still missing.

[Alex Weidmann]

My friend who attended MBW has sent me the following:

No announcements about Dr Who, and no screenings. Only a section in the Session 1 documentary about the guy touring African TV archives. It said that the BFI and Kaleidoscope are sifting through about 10,000 films or tapes which he's unearthed, but didnt say what the programmes are. It also said that the persistent rumours about more Dr Who episodes are counter-productive to making stuff available - which I guess suggests that there are more shows to come. There was also a very brief cutaway shot of some film cans, with the top one labelled "Marco Polo - Ep. 3". I later established from the Kaleidoscope gang that this was included as a deliberate wind-up!
Don't remember any mention of Zambia. And I think they referred to "up to 10,000" cans or tapes.

[malcolmostlere]

Dec 21, 2013 21:47:42 GMT Alex Weidmann said:

My friend who attended MBW has sent me the following:

No announcements about Dr Who, and no screenings. Only a section in the Session 1 documentary about the guy touring African TV archives. It said that the BFI and Kaleidoscope are sifting through about 10,000 films or tapes which he's unearthed, but didnt say what the programmes are. It also said that the persistent rumours about more Dr Who episodes are counter-productive to making stuff available - which I guess suggests that there are more shows to come. There was also a very brief cutaway shot of some film cans, with the top one labelled "Marco Polo - Ep. 3". I later established from the Kaleidoscope gang that this was included as a deliberate wind-up!
Don't remember any mention of Zambia. And I think they referred to "up to 10,000" cans or tapes.

This pretty much exactly matches my recollection.

[Peter Ledwith]

I was told by someone that when on a forum, it is best to talk to someone as if they are face to face. What you wont say to there face you should not say on a forum. I just felt it was abrupt. We are not at school. A little decorum wouldnt go amiss. Thats just my opinion. Paul cant really comment on a video he didnt see just as much as I cant. To comment on what what said in such definate terms without seeing it is silly. As I have said before....what are the facts on this matter? What was actually said. That is what I want to know. That is what I am waiting to find out, not info from second or third hand. Huge respect to paul though....he is VERY good at what he does.

[John Wall]

Dec 21, 2013 21:47:42 GMT Alex Weidmann said:

My friend who attended MBW has sent me the following:

No announcements about Dr Who, and no screenings. Only a section in the Session 1 documentary about the guy touring African TV archives. It said that the BFI and Kaleidoscope are sifting through about 10,000 films or tapes which he's unearthed, but didnt say what the programmes are. It also said that the persistent rumours about more Dr Who episodes are counter-productive to making stuff available - which I guess suggests that there are more shows to come. There was also a very brief cutaway shot of some film cans, with the top one labelled "Marco Polo - Ep. 3". I later established from the Kaleidoscope gang that this was included as a deliberate wind-up!
Don't remember any mention of Zambia. And I think they referred to "up to 10,000" cans or tapes.

I was there and my understanding was that anything Philip Morris had recovered was still with the BBC. Both Dick Fiddy and Chris Perry were in the documentary and neither had any idea as to how much (there was definitely no "about 10,000") but it was thought it might be 100s or 1000s. I posted that in the break between the sessions - minutes after I'd seen it.

[Peter Ledwith]

Dec 21, 2013 21:45:06 GMT John Wall said:

Dec 21, 2013 21:41:23 GMT David Robinson said:

Theres probably only 9999 cans returned so you can say you didn't lie again. After the Web denial is there any wonder people find your comments hard to believe without going over with a fine tooth comb?

As nobody at MBW mentioned 10,000 - or Zambia - there is nothing to be concerned about. If you look back Paul said that he'd love to say that all of Web had been recovered, but it hadn't. That was accurate - Part 3 is still missing.

Can I just ask john...were you there? Did you see the film?...ignore that...just seen your post...my appologies.

[John Wall]

Dec 21, 2013 21:56:51 GMT Peter Ledwith said:

Dec 21, 2013 21:45:06 GMT John Wall said:

As nobody at MBW mentioned 10,000 - or Zambia - there is nothing to be concerned about. If you look back Paul said that he'd love to say that all of Web had been recovered, but it hadn't. That was accurate - Part 3 is still missing.

Can I just ask john...were you there? Did you see the film?

If you've been following this thread you wouldn't ask that sort of question and if you go to the first page you'll see that I posted details of what was in the documentary shortly after it'd finished.

[Alex Weidmann]

Dec 21, 2013 21:53:45 GMT John Wall said:

Dec 21, 2013 21:47:42 GMT Alex Weidmann said:

My friend who attended MBW has sent me the following:

No announcements about Dr Who, and no screenings. Only a section in the Session 1 documentary about the guy touring African TV archives. It said that the BFI and Kaleidoscope are sifting through about 10,000 films or tapes which he's unearthed, but didnt say what the programmes are. It also said that the persistent rumours about more Dr Who episodes are counter-productive to making stuff available - which I guess suggests that there are more shows to come. There was also a very brief cutaway shot of some film cans, with the top one labelled "Marco Polo - Ep. 3". I later established from the Kaleidoscope gang that this was included as a deliberate wind-up!
Don't remember any mention of Zambia. And I think they referred to "up to 10,000" cans or tapes.

I was there and my understanding was that anything Philip Morris had recovered was still with the BBC. Both Dick Fiddy and Chris Perry were in the documentary and neither had any idea as to how much (there was definitely no "about 10,000") but it was thought it might be 100s or 1000s. I posted that in the break between the sessions - minutes after I'd seen it.

I'll take 100s or 1000s. Either way it's a substantial number, and clearly very encouraging!

[raybadrick]

Hi I was there for both sessions and in the documentary, Dick Fiddy was filmed talking about the work Phil Morris was doing and he did mention 10,000 Film Cans. There were no mentions of the countries involved just the African Search. He also spoke about the BBC TV Shows would be returned to the BBC and the ITV Archive to the BFI

At the beginning of session two he explained why the programme schedule had been delayed as they were hoping to get some material from Phil Morris which did not materialize although my guess this would of been ITV material rather than BBC / Doctor Who.

[John Wall]

Dec 21, 2013 22:06:23 GMT Alex Weidmann said:

Dec 21, 2013 21:53:45 GMT John Wall said:

I was there and my understanding was that anything Philip Morris had recovered was still with the BBC. Both Dick Fiddy and Chris Perry were in the documentary and neither had any idea as to how much (there was definitely no "about 10,000") but it was thought it might be 100s or 1000s. I posted that in the break between the sessions - minutes after I'd seen it.

I'll take 100s or 1000s. Either way it's a substantial number, and clearly very encouraging!

We don't know how much is missing.

[John Green]

If anybody wants to be very,very,cautious...the reference is to the number of film cans.In theory,there could be lots of empty ones.

Hair-splitting a speciality.

[John Wall]

Dec 21, 2013 22:08:43 GMT raybadrick said:

Hi I was there for both sessions and in the documentary, Dick Fiddy was filmed talking about the work Phil Morris was doing and he did mention 10,000 Film Cans. There were no mentions of the countries involved just the African Search. He also spoke about the BBC TV Shows would be returned to the BBC and the ITV Archive to the BFI

At the beginning of session two he explained why the programme schedule had been delayed as they were hoping to get some material from Phil Morris which did not materialize although my guess this would of been ITV material rather than BBC / Doctor Who.

I'm afraid you're hearing what you want to hear.

Dick Fiddy did not mention any figure other than there could be 100s or 1000s of programmes.

In the introduction to Session Two no mention was made of material from Philip Morris.

[David Robinson]

Dec 21, 2013 22:16:13 GMT John Wall said:

Dec 21, 2013 22:08:43 GMT raybadrick said:

Hi I was there for both sessions and in the documentary, Dick Fiddy was filmed talking about the work Phil Morris was doing and he did mention 10,000 Film Cans. There were no mentions of the countries involved just the African Search. He also spoke about the BBC TV Shows would be returned to the BBC and the ITV Archive to the BFI

At the beginning of session two he explained why the programme schedule had been delayed as they were hoping to get some material from Phil Morris which did not materialize although my guess this would of been ITV material rather than BBC / Doctor Who.

I'm afraid you're hearing what you want to hear.

Dick Fiddy did not mention any figure other than there could be 100s or 1000s of programmes.

In the introduction to Session Two no mention was made of material from Philip Morris.

How are you so sure its not YOU hearing what you want to hear?

[John Wall]

Dec 21, 2013 22:15:50 GMT John Green said:

If anybody wants to be very,very,cautious...the reference is to the number of film cans.In theory,there could be lots of empty ones.

Hair-splitting a speciality.

Remember that Ian Levine recently located five prints from Season 6 in Taiwan - none of them were missing. Philip Morris could recover 100 prints, 99 of them might exist in a UK archive.

[raybadrick]

Dec 21, 2013 22:16:13 GMT John Wall said:

Dec 21, 2013 22:08:43 GMT raybadrick said:

Hi I was there for both sessions and in the documentary, Dick Fiddy was filmed talking about the work Phil Morris was doing and he did mention 10,000 Film Cans. There were no mentions of the countries involved just the African Search. He also spoke about the BBC TV Shows would be returned to the BBC and the ITV Archive to the BFI

At the beginning of session two he explained why the programme schedule had been delayed as they were hoping to get some material from Phil Morris which did not materialize although my guess this would of been ITV material rather than BBC / Doctor Who.

I'm afraid you're hearing what you want to hear.

Dick Fiddy did not mention any figure other than there could be 100s or 1000s of programmes.

In the introduction to Session Two no mention was made of material from Philip Morris.

John

Well in that case my partner is too ! Perhaps it is you who needs to concede you were wrong ?