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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Aug 28, 2013 15:51:01 GMT
Remember what he said about something they were able to include due to a "coincidence"? That was the original pillars they found at the same equipment rental place isn't it? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 15:59:31 GMT
Come on, guys. As another Mod said, Be Nice to each other.
Surely THIS part of the Missing Episodes Dr Who forum is for the express purpose of debate about the merits or otherwise of the RUMOURS about the alleged recovery of missing Dr Who episodes. Given that people inclined towards the hunting of missing episodes are passionate this activity and related topics, and identify with it on a personal level, it follows that this passion will lead them down various paths of speculation. Some of this speculation might be feasible and reasonable, some might be more "out there". Some people like to back up their posts and speculations with corrobative assurances that their view is sourced from a link, no matter how tenuous, to this stuff. Others are content to just add their opinions etc on a "for what it's worth" basis. It's a part of being into this. Not a serious part maybe, but an energetic and creative part nonetheless.
Therefore, for it not to clog up other threads of more serious intent or enquiry, isn't it better to have all that speculative stuff in one place, where the need for academic rigour isn't so readily enforced? A kind of pressure valve sort of thing, where you can get your crazy theory off your chest or whatever. So people who actually enjoy all the rumours et al have somewhere where they can engage with them and each other, without having to look over their shoulders all the time in case the Mods are watching for errant posts. Provided the usual rules of civility are observed, Mods, who do a fine job on the whole, wouldn't need to waste their valuable time policing it with the diligence deemed necessary at the moment. Also, those members who don't enjoy this type of speculation and have no patience for it, would know where to avoid.
The thing is ... we all have different ways of expressing it, but we're all basically into the same stuff and believe it or not ... we're all on the same side here.
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Post by Ross Mann on Aug 28, 2013 16:22:03 GMT
Hi all, been a while.. Not trying to incur the wrath of the the Mod-gods here, but I'm a tad outta touch... What's supposed to have turned up? Can someone just "inbox" me with some goss please??
Cheers- Rossco..
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Post by Ross Mann on Aug 28, 2013 16:25:58 GMT
(OT) The Ice Warriors looks awesome!! (various members of the restoration team/ animation etc.) have done a fantastic job.. Just one more surviving Troughton Ep to go and I'll have em' all.... Unless these rumours turn out to be facts that is  |
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Aug 28, 2013 16:36:11 GMT
Hi all, been a while.. Not trying to incur the wrath of the the Mod-gods here, but I'm a tad outta touch... What's supposed to have turned up? Can someone just "inbox" me with some goss please?? Cheers- Rossco.. The rumoured returns are no secret. There have been rumours of the return of up to 105 episodes. Every one except the Feast of Stephen. Rumours have been discussed widely for about 6 months, and apparently by some for over 2 years. There are various numbers mentioned. 17 (Marco Polo, Enemy of the World, Web of Fear). 40's to 50's (most everything except a most season 4, or most season 5, depending on which version of rumour); though lately that's been supplanted by 88, 90, 93, and 94. 90 was everything except DMP, Space Pirates, 2 Invasion, 2 Ice Warriors, 1 Wheel in Space. 88 was everything except DMP, Abominable, 2 Ice Warriors, 1 Wheel (with a variant of 90 which would include the recent G4/UM2 return), 93 (which is 88 with Abominable now returned. 94 adds 1 Ice Warriors (I'm guessing 94 is someone misreading a typo about 93). And finally higher numbers, which seem to tie into rumours about some DMP finds. Clearly not all the rumours are true (given the contradictions). But are any true? Well that's the question. It does seem odd that after 20 years of not finding 2 episodes together, that suddenly there'd be something so large that it would have required multiple finds across the world. And yet the lack of a clear all-encompassing denial, and radio silence from many, is compelling. It's like watching a train-wreck ... can't look away. |
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Post by RossL on Aug 28, 2013 17:05:24 GMT
I think what would help all of us would be some kind of defcon level for likelihood of missing episodes being recovered. Just knowing that some kind to recovery is going on would put my mind at rest. It might put your mind at rest but any "yes we have found something" announcement would make the events of the last couple of months look like a spinsters tea party. The boards / forums / gossip sites etc would be overrun demands for information, evidence & clarification. No the correct thing to do is keep things absolutely buttoned up until an official announcement is made. Ive seen the fallout when folks think you are holding back on info. I admin on a well known satellite tv hobby forum and a few years ago (false) rumours were going round that Sky UK had been hacked. Our forum was absolutely swamped with demands for the secrets of how to get free tv. It all got quite nasty and all the dozen or so staff got throughly fed up with dealing with the chaos. Of course none of the freeloaders would believe there wasnt any free tv to be had, and we were accused of holding back and god knows what. |
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Post by Greg H on Aug 28, 2013 17:08:18 GMT
Just wanted to say that I completely support the mods' decision regarding people posting information they've heard "from a source". As if using this phrase somehow lends the information any more credibility or gravitas than saying "a mate told me". Too many people claiming to be in the know, and I'm glad there won't be any proliferation of it here - if you believe some of the stuff on GB then every man and his dog knows someone who's apparently seen a missing episode. I am inclined to agree. I have dipped my toes into some forums where the mods are over zealous jerks - this isn't one of those places which is one of the reasons I frequent this forum, that and the informative tone of many of the posts here. I expect someone will be along in a little while to espouse their histrionics in a shrill voice about us being 'collaborators' or something equally vacant, for not being unnecessarily critical of Paul and the moderation here. |
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Aug 28, 2013 17:19:22 GMT
Hi all, been a while.. Not trying to incur the wrath of the the Mod-gods here, but I'm a tad outta touch... What's supposed to have turned up? Can someone just "inbox" me with some goss please?? Cheers- Rossco.. The rumoured returns are no secret. There have been rumours of the return of up to 105 episodes. Every one except the Feast of Stephen. Rumours have been discussed widely for about 6 months, and apparently by some for over 2 years. There are various numbers mentioned. 17 (Marco Polo, Enemy of the World, Web of Fear). 40's to 50's (most everything except a most season 4, or most season 5, depending on which version of rumour); though lately that's been supplanted by 88, 90, 93, and 94. 90 was everything except DMP, Space Pirates, 2 Invasion, 2 Ice Warriors, 1 Wheel in Space. 88 was everything except DMP, Abominable, 2 Ice Warriors, 1 Wheel (with a variant of 90 which would include the recent G4/UM2 return), 93 (which is 88 with Abominable now returned. 94 adds 1 Ice Warriors (I'm guessing 94 is someone misreading a typo about 93). And finally higher numbers, which seem to tie into rumours about some DMP finds. Clearly not all the rumours are true (given the contradictions). But are any true? Well that's the question. It does seem odd that after 20 years of not finding 2 episodes together, that suddenly there'd be something so large that it would have required multiple finds across the world. And yet the lack of a clear all-encompassing denial, and radio silence from many, is compelling. It's like watching a train-wreck ... can't look away. The lack of denial and radio silence means nothing at all.There are more important things going on in the world other than the web-site bubbles that we live in,a lot of people in the industry have better things to do and many people couldn't give a toss so we can be easily deluded that the lack of denial is anything meaningful.Just because WE ( okay then,I am ! ) are obsessed with the missing episodes doesn't mean other people have to ellicit a response at the right time that we want them to.So we're getting no response from those who should be shouting it from the highest mountain?Well,fiddley-dee! |
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Aug 28, 2013 17:48:45 GMT
The lack of denial and radio silence means nothing at all. I 100% disagree. In politics a lack of denials and radio silence invariably confirms suspicions. Surely those who have been silent, dodged questions, and given vague denials wouldn't have been very happy to have been clear, if it had ended this entire drama? There are more important things going on in the world other than the web-site bubbles that we live in,a lot of people in the industry have better things to do and many people couldn't give a toss so we can be easily deluded that the lack of denial is anything meaningful And yet we get very detailed denials from the same people when something completely out-to-lunch pops up. We had an extremely clear denial from someone in the know just the other day, denying a recent find had occurred - which turned out not to have even been leaked. If people were just totally absent, is one thing. However it's the selective silence that's most clear. For example, a high ranking politician when confronted with accusations of crack usage, denying they are using crack - but failing to deny that they've ever used crack, pretty much confirms (after months of asking the same question) that they have used crack. |
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Aug 28, 2013 18:19:41 GMT
The lack of denial and radio silence means nothing at all. I 100% disagree. In politics a lack of denials and radio silence invariably confirms suspicions. Surely those who have been silent, dodged questions, and given vague denials wouldn't have been very happy to have been clear, if it had ended this entire drama? There are more important things going on in the world other than the web-site bubbles that we live in,a lot of people in the industry have better things to do and many people couldn't give a toss so we can be easily deluded that the lack of denial is anything meaningful And yet we get very detailed denials from the same people when something completely out-to-lunch pops up. We had an extremely clear denial from someone in the know just the other day, denying a recent find had occurred - which turned out not to have even been leaked. If people were just totally absent, is one thing. However it's the selective silence that's most clear. For example, a high ranking politician when confronted with accusations of crack usage, denying they are using crack - but failing to deny that they've ever used crack, pretty much confirms (after months of asking the same question) that they have used crack. However,this requires say,photographic evidence ( for which we have not one jot ),the details of suppliers ( who have vigorously denied any form of supply )and the unalterable fact that the information is still only heresay and that the individual in question has every right to ignore the question!Unless he is taken to task by his official office who then conducts an investigation and finds the accusations to be true,who gives a damn what the accusers say! |
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Aug 28, 2013 19:19:45 GMT
However,this requires say,photographic evidence ( for which we have not one jot ),the details of suppliers ( who have vigorously denied any form of supply )and the unalterable fact that the information is still only heresay and that the individual in question has every right to ignore the question!Unless he is taken to task by his official office who then conducts an investigation and finds the accusations to be true,who gives a damn what the accusers say! Depends on what level of proof. We're simply talking "bloody obvious" here, not "criminal conviction". If there's not something further still going on - whatever it is - I'd think we'd know where 2 episodes of "The Sky at Night" were found, and why there was their some belief that a colour copy of Mind of Evil may exist, after those working on the recolourization suspended their work. There's been some rather odd questions of late that have been ignored time, and time again. (though I can't even begin to fathom how Mind of Evil could relate ... perhaps that's a red herring). |
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Post by Rich Cornock on Aug 28, 2013 19:37:38 GMT
My only thoughts are that it does seem funny how the 'Africa progress' thread ground to a halt. I would have thought that in the search for Who more than an episode of Sky at Night would have turned up. Seems to have gone very quiet on the Africa front
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Post by Ross Mann on Aug 28, 2013 23:06:29 GMT
Hi all, been a while.. Not trying to incur the wrath of the the Mod-gods here, but I'm a tad outta touch... What's supposed to have turned up? Can someone just "inbox" me with some goss please?? Cheers- Rossco.. The rumoured returns are no secret. There have been rumours of the return of up to 105 episodes. Every one except the Feast of Stephen. Rumours have been discussed widely for about 6 months, and apparently by some for over 2 years. There are various numbers mentioned. 17 (Marco Polo, Enemy of the World, Web of Fear). 40's to 50's (most everything except a most season 4, or most season 5, depending on which version of rumour); though lately that's been supplanted by 88, 90, 93, and 94. 90 was everything except DMP, Space Pirates, 2 Invasion, 2 Ice Warriors, 1 Wheel in Space. 88 was everything except DMP, Abominable, 2 Ice Warriors, 1 Wheel (with a variant of 90 which would include the recent G4/UM2 return), 93 (which is 88 with Abominable now returned. 94 adds 1 Ice Warriors (I'm guessing 94 is someone misreading a typo about 93). And finally higher numbers, which seem to tie into rumours about some DMP finds. Clearly not all the rumours are true (given the contradictions). But are any true? Well that's the question. It does seem odd that after 20 years of not finding 2 episodes together, that suddenly there'd be something so large that it would have required multiple finds across the world. And yet the lack of a clear all-encompassing denial, and radio silence from many, is compelling. It's like watching a train-wreck ... can't look away. Thanks, there's always been some sort of rumours flying round, I've only been taking part in this forum thingy for a cpl of years now..... The main reason I haven't touched base in a while, is mainly because of the silly rumours... The "Melbourne Australia" one from late last year (or was it earlier this year??) was another Train wreck in slow motion.... Sure I trolled a bit... But some idiots just ask for it.. Lol. I'm not exactly a sceptic or a believer... If it happens that's great. If it doesn't.... Well, we've all still got 106 eps to pine over...... |
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Post by Ross Mann on Aug 28, 2013 23:09:37 GMT
It's quite ironic actually... The last time I hadn't bothered to have a gander at this forum for a while, I logged in one night and two episodes had turned up!! Maybe I'll go on a forum free Holliday again for an extended period of time and see what happens lol
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Post by Brad Phipps on Aug 29, 2013 0:50:13 GMT
It's quite ironic actually... The last time I hadn't bothered to have a gander at this forum for a while, I logged in one night and two episodes had turned up!! Maybe I'll go on a forum free Holliday again for an extended period of time and see what happens lol I did the same. I went into self exposed exile from fandom for a couple of years (including the new series which i stopped watching from season four) and suddenly got jolted back into it in 2011. |
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