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Post by janicebergamot on Sept 12, 2013 14:56:42 GMT
One of the more sensible rules on Gallifrey Base is that whatever the outcome of this, there should be no "ha ha, I was right, you were wrong"-type posts from anyone. I think that's something that it would be wise to adopt here. Quite right too. It's going to be quite tough for the people who've tried soooooo hard to shout down the rumour only to be told the episodes are actually back  Although there's one of two people I really would like to PM after the announcement...   |
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Post by Rob Hutchinson on Sept 12, 2013 15:31:23 GMT
the omnirumour is fascinating isn't it? - especially in the way a large organisation deals with such as this.
the rumour itself (at this point) boils down to only 3 general scenarios:
1. Notwithstanding any unverified leads no missing episodes have been discovered. Categorically 106 episodes remain missing.
2. Episodes have been returned and are completely in the BBC's possession.
3. The BBC is aware of the existence of missing episodes but all or some of those missing are not in their possession.
Now if the BBC (or the people who run this forum) wanted to scotch the rumour completely then all they would have to do is tick the box of number 1 with a categoric statement i.e. one that DOESN'T use terms to the effect 'As far as I/we are aware...'
Scenario 2 puts everyone connected with missing episodes in a very difficult position if it is being kept secret for a big announcement as it can only force them to be evasive at best and liars at worst. But at the same time I can understand it because it will be big news - bound to hit the press and TV - and saving it till the big 50 seems logical to me.
For scenario 3 I can completly understand evasiveness as it may involve delicate negotiation and logistics and I'd be very reticent about giving out any information when the deal hasn't been sealed.
But for goodness sake if it's scenario 1 just say it as we all have other lives to lead e.g. do the shopping, take the kids to school, etc etc etc..........
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Post by Greg H on Sept 12, 2013 15:55:49 GMT
the omnirumour is fascinating isn't it? - especially in the way a large organisation deals with such as this. the rumour itself (at this point) boils down to only 3 general scenarios: 1. Notwithstanding any unverified leads no missing episodes have been discovered. Categorically 106 episodes remain missing. 2. Episodes have been returned and are completely in the BBC's possession. 3. The BBC is aware of the existence of missing episodes but all or some of those missing are not in their possession. Now if the BBC (or the people who run this forum) wanted to scotch the rumour completely then all they would have to do is tick the box of number 1 with a categoric statement i.e. one that DOESN'T use terms to the effect 'As far as I/we are aware...' Scenario 2 puts everyone connected with missing episodes in a very difficult position if it is being kept secret for a big announcement as it can only force them to be evasive at best and liars at worst. But at the same time I can understand it because it will be big news - bound to hit the press and TV - and saving it till the big 50 seems logical to me. For scenario 3 I can completly understand evasiveness as it may involve delicate negotiation and logistics and I'd be very reticent about giving out any information when the deal hasn't been sealed. But for goodness sake if it's scenario 1 just say it as we all have other lives to lead e.g. do the shopping, take the kids to school, etc etc etc.......... It could really be any of those three options you pose. There's no real evidence to indicate one over the other at the moment. In the event that your option number three there had at some point happened it would be a really massive drag if over enthusiastic fans scuppered the return of something by interfering with what could be very delicate negotiations; I mean, imagine if a missing Troughton story disappeared back into the woodwork because fans jumped in and started shouting that it was a priceless relic or something or even just discouraged a foreign archivist from putting in the footwork by being OTT and rude. Doesn't bear thinking about really, so I will leave those guys to their research and carry on with mine which is a bit more low level and hit and miss, i.e. auction houses, house clearances, footwork and car boots etc........ |
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Post by Jason G on Sept 12, 2013 15:58:26 GMT
Quite right too. It's going to be quite tough for the people who've tried soooooo hard to shout down the rumour only to be told the episodes are actually back Although there's one of two people I really would like to PM after the announcement... Welcome to the forum. A good exercise above in how to make friends and influence people... Remind me, where's the block button again? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 18:20:51 GMT
Ash Stewart said: Heck, if we get back 90+ missing Dr Whos I'll be over the moon, and be incredibly happy; but it's just not worth the hassle. ___________ 90+ episodes may have been returned but some of them are duplicates or ones already held at the BBC. Maybe four Troughton stories have been completed - Power, Enemy, Web and A.N.Other as well as Marco Polo and perhaps some Sierra Leone Hartnells. Is that the definite assertion it reads like ... or just assertive conjecture??? |
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Post by Ash Stewart on Sept 12, 2013 18:59:59 GMT
Ash Stewart said: Heck, if we get back 90+ missing Dr Whos I'll be over the moon, and be incredibly happy; but it's just not worth the hassle. ___________ 90+ episodes may have been returned but some of them are duplicates or ones already held at the BBC. Maybe four Troughton stories have been completed - Power, Enemy, Web and A.N.Other as well as Marco Polo and perhaps some Sierra Leone Hartnells. Let's just hope the "A.N.Other" complete story is The Underwater Menace. |
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Post by Rob Moss on Sept 12, 2013 20:05:43 GMT
Welcome to the forum. A good exercise above in how to make friends and influence people... Remind me, where's the block button again? Generally speaking, Janice makes a good point. However, so does Jason. I find a warm hello works far better on a forum you've only just joined... Perhaps Janice might like to make her second post a little less confrontational... |
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Sept 12, 2013 22:41:20 GMT
Welcome to the forum. A good exercise above in how to make friends and influence people... Remind me, where's the block button again? Generally speaking, Janice makes a good point. However, so does Jason. I find a warm hello works far better on a forum you've only just joined... Perhaps Janice might like to make her second post a little less confrontational... I think Janice may have posted this message on the wrong site thinking this was a relationships forum-you know,all guys are jerks etc etc!Yeah,particularly those with a missing episodes fixation...they find 90 episodes then turn around and break your heart...! |
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Sept 12, 2013 22:54:13 GMT
Just come up with a theory with the problem that's apparently being discussed about An Unearthly Child... and I'm PRAYING I'm wrong.
Perhaps they're being all PC and are trying to cut out the scene where the Doctor lights his pipe?
"Resolution issues" implies, at least to me, that they're probably trying to perform an extreme zoom in to block it out, and that it's causing issues with the VidFIRE... It's a small scene that appears for a fraction of a second, (not to mention the Doctor is NEVER seen smoking again after this, at least to my knowledge)and if this is what's causing all the fuss, then I'll be very disappointed that they're going through all this trouble.
Like I said, this is a theory, and while it DOES sound ridiculous, with all the PC nonsense in the world of TV media when it comes to repeating old-school television, I wouldn't put it past them, and I'm just hoping that it ISN'T the problem here.
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Post by andrew shutt on Sept 12, 2013 23:06:24 GMT
Just come up with a theory with the problem that's apparently being discussed about An Unearthly Child... and I'm PRAYING I'm wrong. Perhaps they're being all PC and are trying to cut out the scene where the Doctor lights his pipe? "Resolution issues" implies, at least to me, that they're probably trying to perform an extreme zoom in to block it out, and that it's causing issues with the VidFIRE... It's a small scene that appears for a fraction of a second, (not to mention the Doctor is NEVER seen smoking again after this, at least to my knowledge)and if this is what's causing all the fuss, then I'll be very disappointed that they're going through all this trouble. Like I said, this is a theory, and while it DOES sound ridiculous, with all the PC nonsense in the world of TV media when it comes to repeating old-school television, I wouldn't put it past them, and I'm just hoping that it ISN'T the problem here. bbc four would'nt edit out anything,it's most likely down to repeat fees |
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Post by Elliott Prince on Sept 12, 2013 23:17:19 GMT
Just come up with a theory with the problem that's apparently being discussed about An Unearthly Child... and I'm PRAYING I'm wrong. Perhaps they're being all PC and are trying to cut out the scene where the Doctor lights his pipe? "Resolution issues" implies, at least to me, that they're probably trying to perform an extreme zoom in to block it out, and that it's causing issues with the VidFIRE... It's a small scene that appears for a fraction of a second, (not to mention the Doctor is NEVER seen smoking again after this, at least to my knowledge)and if this is what's causing all the fuss, then I'll be very disappointed that they're going through all this trouble. Like I said, this is a theory, and while it DOES sound ridiculous, with all the PC nonsense in the world of TV media when it comes to repeating old-school television, I wouldn't put it past them, and I'm just hoping that it ISN'T the problem here. Well, if it's being broadcast on BBC4 (which doesn't start broadcasting until 1900h), it's worth noting that many of the soaps are broadcast at the same time, many of which have characters who do smoke (I live in a house with females, so I do know these things, I'm afraid). I might be completely wrong, but I'm just applying a bit of rationality and logic to the situation. Like you, however, I do hope you're wrong; I've seen the serial a fair few times, and it was only until you mentioned it that I remembered. Like you said, it's only a fleeting glimpse, a real blink-and-you-miss-it scene. |
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Post by John Green on Sept 13, 2013 0:37:44 GMT
I think that the one edit they did of the David Whitaker novel 'Doctor Who and the Daleks' when William Russell did it as an audiobook was to remove a reference to Ian smoking.It was mentioned in an article in DWM.
Tell me how much of this I've got wrong!
Wonderful read,by the way.
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Post by Michael Plowright on Sept 13, 2013 5:33:34 GMT
It's funny, but I often find myself asking the same question - why am I looking at this thread still? It generally adds nothing new to the debate and usually can confirm nothing. Therefore it leaves me thinking I am either obsessive compulsive or living in hope. In reality, I think the truth lies somewhere between the two! However, I am a skeptic in regards to the suggestion that missing episodes having been found. The weight of evidence of the past 35 years is that apart from the initial bulk findings of the late 70s, episodes have tended to trickle in and that becomes less frequently as time has progressed. I do find it challenging to believe that with the 50th anniversary that the biggest cache of episodes in a long time has been recovered. Too coincidental for me - though I might add not impossible - but still in my mind unlikely. The other thing I do find challenging are the individuals who want to spread the fact that they have a trusted and reliable source who has evidence of the find. I find myself asking why are they doing it - for the greater good or is it because they want their five minutes of fame and some ego stroking? Are their claims - and I would say continuous in some places - really doing anyone any good apart from giving some to talk about or even possibly false hope? I also find it convenient that if it does not eventuate that they can say well I trusted this friend, often unnamed, and they gave me the wrong information. This in all sense of the discussion, leaves them unaccountable for what they say in their own eyes and some compassionate others. I only class myself as semi compassionate.  However, all this reminds me of is the return of The Web of Fear some years ago. Once more, evidence that contributes to my skepticism. The other thing that is interesting is the question of what if there is no denial of this rumour - ever? For some reason, some believe that the BBC should deny the rumour, which could mean that they could be denying rumours daily if they started responding. I would argue that it would not be a good use of time or resources. Therefore November may come and go without a denial because it was never true in the first place. Does that mean in 25 years people will still be talking about this rumour? OMG - I'll be 67 - now that doesn't bear thinking about! And then there is the fact that people will believe what they want to believe, whether there are clear statements to the contrary. It reminds me of the time that I was told by a client that he believed I was a member of the KGB who followed him everywhere. He did have mental health problems, but my point is that I was not going to change what he believed. Some of that is driven by hope; some of that is driven by the conspiracy theory - the truth is out there if I might say... Anyways, that's my thoughts. Of course I hope they have found a batch of missing episodes like we all do, but skepticism sometimes is what keeps us sane - certainly in my case. I will now resume my lurking. Cheers, Michael |
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Post by tom smith on Sept 13, 2013 6:01:36 GMT
I personally believe that if there are no missing episodes or clips shown in November,and no DVD release of a missing story within say 6 months then all these rumours have been a very big hoax.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 7:18:57 GMT
I personally believe that if there are no missing episodes or clips shown in November,and no DVD release of a missing story within say 6 months then all these rumours have been a very big hoax. Totally agree with that - I think we've held onto the hope that an announcement is being primed for the 50th Anniversary week for maximum publicity purposes - If nothing happens then I think we'll just reluctantly feel it was a great dream to hold onto but it will be finally time to let go. The "exciting commission" that BBC3 are planning to end the anniversary "with a bang" is, I feel nothing to do with missing eps - but may involve former actors (didn't I see a photo somewhere of Peter Davison holding a copy of the 50th Anniversary script with his name on it?) I still have a hope that as a "nod to the fans" that Moffatt has previously mentioned that there'll be clips in the 50th Anniversary episode itself (similar to the "Name Of The Doctor" ep) but they'll be from Missing eps - (ie first 30 secs of "Power" for instance) that fans will immediately know don't currently exist... oh if only ... If nothing has come of this by December then that'll be it for me as far as believing...Only a tad over 70 days to go.. |
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