Five O'Clock Club and Five O'Clock Funfair shows

[John Green]

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[williammcgregor]

This is from Rolling Stone 8/7/71 A lot of Korner’s purist followers thought he’d had an aberration when he decided to lead the house band on a children’s TV program called 5 O’clock Club. This was after Korner’s band had been the backing group on Gadzooks!, one of the first British rock and pop TV series. “5 O’clock Club was very important,” said Korner, “because we made more converts through it than through all the specialist gigs put together. But in a way, it turned out to be the kiss of death as well; one, because people assumed that as we were doing television we were too expensive, and two, because once you became associated with a children’s show you’re finished anyway.”

[williammcgregor]

Five O'Clock Club

Updates from The TV Times

1/2/66 David Ballantyne (I Can't Express It), Peter Thompson, The Merseybeats, Ernestine Anderson (from America)

4/2/66 Gerry and The Pacemakers, Billie Davis, Keith Powell and special guest Matt Monro

8/2/66 Roslynne

29/3/66 DDDBM&T, Kiki Dee

1/4/66 The Peter B's, Victor Manz, Crispian St. Peters

12/4/66 Janie Jones

15/4/66 Martha Reeves and The Vandellas

19/4/66 Una Stubbs, Lewis Rich

28/6/66 The Koobas

5/7/66 Engelbert

9/8/66 The Ivy League

19/8/66 The Sounds of Time

23/8/66 David Essex, The King Brothers

26/8/66 Vince Hill, Greg Hunter

30/8/66 The Mindbenders, Ray Martine

9/9/66 The Rothchilds

20/9/66 Georgie Fame and The Blueflames

1966 list on page 1 now updated

[Alan Turrell]

Thanks for that William so Janie Jones was definitely on Five O'clock Club almost certainly performing Witches Brew this must of been the show I remember seeing it from , a lot of other good musical acts on the show as well , I really wish something of the show still existed such a shame.

[williammcgregor]

Hi Alan, You would think that considering this show had so many episodes (something somewhere must still exist?)... but there again I suppose you could say that about many other missing shows!

[John Green]

Nice one,William.I'm guessing this is all new information?

[williammcgregor]

Hi John,

To me it is new info,

I bought a DVD-R disc on E-Bay ages ago that had copies of the TV Times from 1966-68 on it and this was well before I joined this forum, it's taken me this long to think, (hold on) I can look at the TV Times for more info.

I did notice that the dates of transmission must have varied a lot depending on the region concerned, so I just went with the dates as shown in the TV Times, the dates in my previous posts were taken from the good old NME

[John Green]

Nice one.
The TV Timeses will be for one particular region (hopefully!).I'm guessing we're looking for original t/x date in the region which produced the show?

[williammcgregor]

Hi John,

You're right in saying we should be looking for the TV Times for the region concerned to get the definitive t/x dates.

I'll have a look at my DVD disc again and see which region/s they are from?

I think the makers of this programme were pre '64 Associated-Rediffusion then from 1964 the name changed to Rediffusion London,

To me, it does'nt really matter (too much) if we are out by a day or two, for a show such as Five O'Clock Club, but, if it was something more historically significant... (The Beatles on TOTP etc) then that's a different story!

or maybe we should (always) try to find out the definitive t/x date no matter the show?

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Nov 10, 2013 19:29:01 GMT williammcgregor said:

Hi Alan, You would think that considering this show had so many episodes (something somewhere must still exist?)... but there again I suppose you could say that about many other missing shows!

Oh for just one edition of Five O Clock Club to exist!

[John Green]

Nov 11, 2013 10:28:54 GMT williammcgregor said:

Hi John,

You're right in saying we should be looking for the TV Times for the region concerned to get the definitive t/x dates.

I'll have a look at my DVD disc again and see which region/s they are from?

I think the makers of this programme were pre '64 Associated-Rediffusion then from 1964 the name changed to Rediffusion London,

To me, it does'nt really matter (too much) if we are out by a day or two, for a show such as Five O'Clock Club, but, if it was something more historically significant... (The Beatles on TOTP etc) then that's a different story!

or maybe we should (always) try to find out the definitive t/x date no matter the show?

You're not wrong.
Mind you,last year Network brought out 'Sergeant Cork' in series.London chose to air one series of about 6 episodes,and the a year or two later,show a series and a half straight through.So that's how Network released them.

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Nov 11, 2013 9:45:12 GMT williammcgregor said:

I did notice that the dates of transmission must have varied a lot depending on the region concerned, so I just went with the dates as shown in the TV Times, the dates in my previous posts were taken from the good old NME

I used to often look up who was appearing on favourite music shows back in the '70s but remember that if I read (e.g.) the NME and TV Times, both would offer different guests for the same week. Usually NME would be referring to either a week before or a week after the edition advertised in TV Times (with often a transmission date that was also a day or so adrift). Presumably NME were getting their info from a different ITV region. It makes researching music (or any) shows sometimes a bit frustrating!

[williammcgregor]

Nov 12, 2013 10:44:42 GMT @laurencepiper said:

Nov 11, 2013 9:45:12 GMT williammcgregor said:

I did notice that the dates of transmission must have varied a lot depending on the region concerned, so I just went with the dates as shown in the TV Times, the dates in my previous posts were taken from the good old NME

I used to often look up who was appearing on favourite music shows back in the '70s but remember that if I read (e.g.) the NME and TV Times, both would offer different guests for the same week. Usually NME would be referring to either a week before or a week after the edition advertised in TV Times (with often a transmission date that was also a day or so adrift). Presumably NME were getting their info from a different ITV region. It makes researching music (or any) shows sometimes a bit frustrating!

I totally agree Laurence, it's only when you come to do some serious research for a forum such as ours that these "Foibles" in the NME/Melody Maker/Disc's DNA suddenly becomes a wee bit irritating.

My view is that the likes of the NME et al were only giving a cursory glance at TV Pop show schedules. It was'nt their top priority.

If only they'd taken this aspect of the music industry seriously,then amateur/professional researchers such as myself would have a much easier time now!

It might (arguably) have also led to small or major re-discoveries of lost TV pop show appearances having been made a lot earlier?

I'm not knocking the NME/Melody Maker/Disc etc because life would have been a lot duller without them (bless their cotton socks)


Regarding the TV Times/Radio Times their information on Pop TV was abysmal in my opinion, next to no info whatsoever, it's akin to being an archeologist sifting through sand looking for wee bits of pottery! (bah)!!!

[Alan Turrell]

Does anyone know if the episodes have actually been wiped or are they missing as in lost somewhere.

[Deleted]

Five O Clock Club, you mean? They can only be presumed wiped rather than categorically stated so. A lot of Rediffusion material was apparently skipped outside their premises following loss of franchise in 1968, although this leaves open the possibility of t/r copies being made. I've no idea if the show was sold anywhere else though. It also leaves open the possibility of odd items being taken home, either on VT or film print. I find it very strange though that there is so little Rediffusion VT surviving generally and wonder if there's a forgotten cache to be found in an unlikely archive somewhere (and even Rediffusion sales prints overseas to be discovered in a similar situation to the recent Dr.Who / Africa Web & Enemy finds).

I often ponder on what still existed of Rediffusion's programme library when they ceased broadcasting in 1968 (and what had already been wiped to re-use tapes). If we'd have visited the premises at that point, would we have found most of their drama / comedy / music etc. output still there (at least on t/r copies)? It doesn't bear thinking about in some ways.