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Post by Alan Turrell on May 21, 2013 9:37:40 GMT
Thanks William , just going back to an earlier thread when this was discussed.
Dec 22, 2008, 7:35pm, laurencepiper wrote:
This has just nudged my memory too! I recall her singing the song in exactly that scenario (stirring a witches' cauldron in costume with big pointed hat etc.) but this was on a children's show, not TOTP, but around the same time, 1965-ish (whatever the show was, it was quite like a pop show but the audience surrounding her were all children). This was definitely a personal appearance and not a promo. I'd imagine that was her standard presentation for the song in a lot of TV appearances though. It seemed quite startling for the time and, athough more of a novelty piece, only Screaming Lord Sutch was doing anything in the rock-horror field like it then.
I'd be interested to know what exists of her songs in any of the TV archives. I've never seen anything at all since the time.
Re: janie jones witches brew
Post by laurencepiper on Dec 22, 2008, 8:41pm
Yes, quite possibly was Five O Clock Club. It had that sort of look to it. Actually, that's a show that is near the top of my list of something missing that i'd like to see an episode of again!
Wonder if there's ANY footage of a Janie performance from that time though?
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Post by williammcgregor on May 21, 2013 15:35:41 GMT
William, A friend of mine, Terry Fox, played Hammond organ in a band called Cops N Robbers and they appeared on Five O'Clock Club, I'd be very grateful if you could find some reference to this or any other TV appearance etc they made. I do know they were on Ready Steady Go too. It would be wonderful if footage of them still exists. Terry told me that they recorded some single and he was just starting to work up his Hammond organ solo when the producer called Take. He'd had no idea what he played but they had to go with it. He said miming to it was a big problem because he could never remember what he'd played. When they did it live, he played the solo he eventually worked out, which was different to that on the record. Hi Shelley, I've not found any evidence on Cops and Robbers appearance on the Five O'Clock Club yet, but, I did come across this very interesting article and full page colour picture of the group in Fabulous 208 magazine dated 13th November 1965 Donovan was the guest editor of this edition of the magazine, and he seems to have held the group in very high esteem!     regards William |
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Post by williammcgregor on May 21, 2013 16:38:54 GMT
Hi William thanks for all your very interesting info , i was wondering if there was any info on Janie Jones performing Witches Brew On the Five o Clock Club any info most welcome cheers Alan. Hi Alan, I'll keep looking for info on Janie Jones "Witches Brew" on Five O'Clock Club In the meantime I came across this b/w photo from the NME dated 27/4/68  William |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 18:35:52 GMT
Hi, William, that's great ... thanks :-) Terry told me he knew Donovan and that he played on the a version of Catch The Wind. Terry said that the last time he saw Don was down Wardour Street in Soho, around '67/'68. Don walked up to him wearing all these flowing robes, put his arms extravagantly around him and said, "Terry, I really love you, maaaan ..." At which point, Terry took a step backwards ...
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Post by Alan Turrell on May 21, 2013 20:50:18 GMT
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Post by Alan Turrell on May 22, 2013 11:08:02 GMT
Found this info from the excellent Tv Pop Diaries Website and it states Janie Jones was on Five O' Clock Club so this must of been the show i remember watching at the time.
Tuesday 12th April 1966
BBC2 Oscar Brown Jr Entertains: Husbands and fathers (repeat)
Rediffusion The Five O’Clock Club
NB Roy Orbison scheduled to appear
Regulars: The Alexis Korner Quartet, Joe Brown
Janie Jones,
The Alan Price Set
Border Songs That Sold A Million
Musical guests not known
TWW The Dean Martin Show
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 19:33:03 GMT
Re The Cops & Robbers; there is some footage of them backing Donovan still in existence. It is from the NME Poll Winners Concert in 1965; they are the band behind him doing the traditional blues 'You're Gonna Need Somebody' which was on his debut LP at that time. I have seen this in the last year; very good too, as were so many of those cool Brit R&B bands.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 20:03:51 GMT
Re The Cops & Robbers; there is some footage of them backing Donovan still in existence. It is from the NME Poll Winners Concert in 1965; they are the band behind him doing the traditional blues 'You're Gonna Need Somebody' which was on his debut LP at that time. I have seen this in the last year; very good too, as were so many of those cool Brit R&B bands. Are you sure about this? I ask because that's certainly not the Cops & Robbers drummer on that set with Donovan - that was Skip Alan who at the end of 1965 replaced Viv Prince in The Pretty Things. Skip worked with Donovan for most of 1965 and that is definitely him behind the drumkit at the NME show... not Henry Harrison. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 8:11:44 GMT
I'd love to check but can't find the footage of which you speak ... not on youtube anyway :-(
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 11:59:21 GMT
Found this info from the excellent Tv Pop Diaries Website and it states Janie Jones was on Five O' Clock Club so this must of been the show i remember watching at the time. You and me both, Alan! I'd love to see that performance again. Anything from Five O Clock Club, in fact. I've been reading this thread with great interest. Some very nice info and pics posted. Thanks everyone - keep 'em coming! |
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Post by williammcgregor on May 23, 2013 13:53:30 GMT
William, A friend of mine, Terry Fox, played Hammond organ in a band called Cops N Robbers and they appeared on Five O'Clock Club, I'd be very grateful if you could find some reference to this or any other TV appearance etc they made. I do know they were on Ready Steady Go too. It would be wonderful if footage of them still exists. Terry told me that they recorded some single and he was just starting to work up his Hammond organ solo when the producer called Take. He'd had no idea what he played but they had to go with it. He said miming to it was a big problem because he could never remember what he'd played. When they did it live, he played the solo he eventually worked out, which was different to that on the record. Hi Shelley, There's a chapter entitled Cops 'n' Robbers in the 2005 book the autobiography of DONOVAN the Hurdy Gurdy man see pic of cover below: You may have the book I don't know? but in case you have'nt here's a small extract: Donovan says...St. Albans had it's own R&B club and a few friends had formed a group called the Cops 'n' Robbers. I got up and played harmonica a few times. It felt good. I had devised my own working man's look, partly because work clothes such as jeans, check shirts and sea-man's pea coats were all I could afford and partly as a homage to heroes such as Robert Service, Woody Guthrie and Jack Kerouac, who needed rough-and-ready clothes like those for a life on the open road. The 'Cops' had a couple of managers who got them a gig in Southend-On-Sea. The whole St.Albans crowd went down for the weekend to support the boys and I tagged along to play in the interval between their sets. The club was absolutely stuffed with familiar faces when the band kicked off. I got up and did a few wails on the harmonica and the scene was jumping. Then, in the interval, I got out my guitar and my harp harness and strummed into Jessie Fuller's great song 'San Francisco Bay Blues'. Up the back were the two managers, here to see Cops 'n' Robbers. After I finished I was feeling sick with stage fright and too much beer, so I made my way outside and up to the top of the iron stairwell to get some air. The managers followed me up. They wanted a chat. I turned, looked down the circular stairs and splattered puke all over them. They seemed to take it good-naturedly and asked if I was interested in meeting them up in London to record some demos. This is exactly what I want to do, I thought, and arranged to see them. Their names were Geoff Stevens and Peter Edens. Geoff was also a song writer and he managed Dave Berry. We planned to meet at the Southern Music Publishing offices (now Peer Music) in London's Tin Pan Alley. I returned home and told my mother and father, who were bemused at the news and perhaps a little unbelieving. so I decided to tell my beat pals, but they only laughed and thought I had finally cracked. I felt I was looked upon with derision by most of the scene, perhaps because I was lame and different, or perhaps too much of a dreamer to be taken seriously.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 15:18:49 GMT
Not got that, William ... but I love the story. Chimes in with what Terry told me. He said Don was a bit of a plonker who came up with all these tales about stuff he'd done and places he'd been. It turned out, he'd expropriated Gypsy Dave's life instead and took the stories for his own. Don, apparently, also lived in fear of his dad.
Terry told me about the Southend club. They supported The Who there (Terry witnessed Pete Townshend picking up bits of broken guitar after the gig to put it back together again: "You got to watch the bread," he said) and also The Kinks, whose Dave Davies pinched a pack of fags off of Terry. Terry knew I was due to see The Kinks one time and he asked me to tell Dave that Terry wanted his fags back. They toured as support for John Mayall's Bluesbreakers and also backed John Lee Hooker on a tour. Mick Jagger saw them and told their managers they needed new gear ... the next day, shiny new gear arrived ...
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Post by williammcgregor on May 23, 2013 15:55:04 GMT
Great stories about Terry and the Southend club Shelley, It must have been great fun hearing those stories first hand. The article below on Donovan is from the NME dated 26th march 1965 it mentions his favourite group as being Cops 'n' Robbers! When you think that he could have chosen The Beatles, The Stones etc then that's high praise indeed.  William |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 16:04:41 GMT
It was wonderful, William ... me and Terry hit it off with us both being musicians and I was happy to hear what he had to say about music and the playing of ... and most importantly, to listen & learn from it. He had some great stories, most of which can't be repeated here lol
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Post by williammcgregor on May 24, 2013 8:33:26 GMT
Five O'Clock Club update
This is from The Melody Maker dated 31/10/64
Pennies Ban
Although the Four Pennies' new single, "Black Girl" was banned by Rediffusion's "Five O'Clock Club" it has been accepted by other programmes, including the same company's "Ready, Steady, Go!"
Pennies' manager, Alan Lewis, told the MM this week: "The song is an old Huddie Leadbetter number and it's lyrics are a bit bloodthirsty.
"But it has been accepted by 'Ready, Steady, Go!, 'Juke Box Jury' and other shows."
This is from the Melody Maker dated 5/12/64
Ballroom Bans 'Black Girl'
'Black Girl' by the Four Pennies' has been banned twice. The Leadbelly classic was first banned by the BBC from it's children's programmes.
Now Blackburn Locarno has banned the record from their Saturday afternoon sessions. Blackburn is the group's home town.
Apparantly the first lines, "Black girl, black girl, tell me no lies, where did you sleep last night?" are the cause of the ban.
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