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Post by Alan Turrell on Jan 23, 2012 14:31:01 GMT
In all fairness you can't really say the clips that the bbc keep showing are any more popular than the ones that they don't show . I wouldn't mind betting if the bbc showed some of the less seen footage the public would still tune in because although the clips themselves might be rare but the songs are just as popular as the ones they keep on showing time and time again.I reckon if you listed all the 60s clips they haven't shown against a list of the ones they do show you couldn't seperate them in terms of song popularity.
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Post by Liam Joseph on Jan 23, 2012 14:39:00 GMT
This may just be wish fulfillment on my part but how about the Beeb doing a series of shows with all the 1964-75 TOTP clips they have in their archives – new recoveries, orphan clips, stuff from German TV, Bob Pratt tapes, remaining complete shows etc. This would include the well-known hits (Procol Harum, Rolling Stones, Queen, Sweet, Bolan, Bowie etc) to attract mainstream viewers, in addition to the less-or-never-screened stuff some of us weirdos on here want to see.
I’m assuming the 1976 show repeats got decent ratings despite the surfeit of Wurzels, Sheer Elegance, Glamourpuss etc, so I would have thought stuff from 1964-75 (where the quality was generally better IMO, and after all music from this period attracted BBC4’s biggest ever Friday night audience) would get a fair few punters in too.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jan 23, 2012 15:42:02 GMT
TOTP2 staff, without mentioning names personally have been furnished a list of pretty much all existing TOTP footage that is either an unbroadcast episode since original transmission and also all orphaned clips. There are some errors, but it's better than having no list at all.
How do I know this?
I sent them one recently, and they have confirmed they have received it!
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jan 23, 2012 16:06:25 GMT
Quick O/T post.... my Facebook status:- Maybe a subtle irony in life is that I found myself scouring youtube today searching for lost episodes of ""Why Don't You Just Switch Off Your Television Set and Go Out and Do Something Less Boring Instead?""  |
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Post by Thomas Walsh on Jan 23, 2012 17:58:28 GMT
it's because they aren't in the business of catering to ridiculously obscure tastes. Sorry Steve.....ehm recovered 'Queen', 'Bowie' and 'Kinks' clips as a TINY example of what I/we would like to see on TOTP2 repeats as well as 'Sonny & Cher' and 'The Righteous Brothers' does not a 'ridiculously obscure taste' make!!  I am praying for them to show 'The Kinks' doing 'Picture Book' from 'Once more with Felix' on ONE of these shows. Obscure..? Well digital giants 'HP Photography' didn't think that song obscure when they made the TV ad below that went out to Billions of homes a few years back. Not that I have to justify the bloody popularity of The Kinks to you but it felt like I had to. You had a decent argument somewhere in your post but using the word 'obscure' negated any articulate wisdom therein. T. |
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Post by John Green on Jan 23, 2012 18:43:03 GMT
Such a shame that George Formby died before he could do a TOTP,but at least 'Happy Go Lucky Me' was on during all the ad breaks pre-Christmas.
Yes,it's that rotton homogeneity bug again.Pity those also-ran songs that only reached number 21,because we're strictly Top 20...Or pity those that only reached number 11 and not the top 10.
Bah.Reissue nothing but chart-toppers and we've heard it all before.
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Post by Tony Walshaw on Jan 26, 2012 19:11:01 GMT
There are music fans in all walks of life, beyond the media and obsessive fandom. From labourers to lawyers, there is an audience out there who are interested in archive 'Top of the Pops' and other music shows.
I have friends and work colleagues, who are not out & out aficianados, but enjoy and have a working knowledge of the music of their youth. They view old clips on You Tube and although they never minded the bollocks of Steve Wright blabbering over TOTP2, they think that the complete TOTP episodes on BBC4 are better. They are a social document of the times that they are from.
People who are scornful of old TOTP because it is "black & white", "the fashions are ridiculous", or it is "too slow-moving" etc, etc do not have a true interest and shouldn't watch anyway. They only know songs like 'Stuck In The Middle With You', 'Little Green Bag' and 'Build Me Up Buttercup' because they have turned up in Hollywood films. But there are many who do have a true interest and so it is justified in showing, where possible, other clips that have not normally been shown.
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Post by Alan Turrell on Jan 26, 2012 22:28:21 GMT
When people today laugh at the fashions of years ago , i really think they need only to look at the so called fashions of today if they want a really good laugh . A lot of the time i find programmes like Totp2 just one big mickey take , which is a shame because there really is a need for a serious pop programme showing archive music clips in a proper manner , because although there's a lot of stuff missing there is also a lot of really good stuff out there that could make a great show.
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Post by Tony Walshaw on Jan 27, 2012 0:38:27 GMT
That's absolutely right. I think the BBC4 TOTP repeats are a very positive way of doing it.
I put some of the 1976 TOTP re-runs on for a mixed company of friends after an evening out recently. These are not people who know about the politics of TV archiving, nor about the amount of cameras available or musicians union issues. But they became engrossed at Jimmy Savile, Jimmy James, Wild Cherry and Thin Lizzy....
Don't believe a word when people say there is no demand for it. And showing the programme exactly as it was, without a mickey-taking host, means that the viewer can judge for themselves how it was. They normally just like to remember the good old days of watching 'Top of the Pops', then on the Saturday they went and bought the records.
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Post by garyjordanbrum on Jan 27, 2012 19:29:31 GMT
me reckons they should take a leaf out of german broadcaster N3, who did a great job with oldie paraden or as it's known O.P.A. No talking no captions and they had "old" bands on in the Studio. There's so much in the archive, that has never had an outing on tv since first tx, my argument is why do we have to keep seeing the same clips over the last 20 years? TOTP has become stale tired boring and predictable, except for the occasional gem like the Bowie steelers wheel wyatt. The BBC4 series ........at the BBC have been brilliant so far. Perhaps they should ask some of us to be involved with TOTP we could make it 100% better.
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Post by garyjordanbrum on Jan 27, 2012 19:32:17 GMT
*TOTP2*
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Post by Tony Walshaw on Jan 27, 2012 23:40:35 GMT
The screening of entire episodes ties the gap between what the niche market want to see, and what is considered viewable to the mainstream.
If there are seperate 'clips' shows, then I agree that it is tiresome seeing the same old clips. It could be just down to researchers on the programme not looking hard enough, or not aware of how much really is out there.
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Post by nicadare on Jan 28, 2012 11:30:24 GMT
me reckons they should take a leaf out of german broadcaster N3, who did a great job with oldie paraden or as it's known O.P.A.. Yes that series was very good, shown in the mid 90s, many clips from Hits a Gogo that I have never seen since. www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCBcxD3Xddg |
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Post by Paul Varley on Jan 28, 2012 13:05:22 GMT
All 3 episodes of this run are in fact 60s specials, and next week's episode includes Clodagh Rodgers. It may well be the Simon Dee performance, but it may just be the TOTP 69 insert.....
So there is still room for rare/unseen clips to come.
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Post by garyjordanbrum on Jan 29, 2012 0:35:26 GMT
Dear Mr BBC that was a complete waste of air time never mind the production costs. Surely someone in the office should have pointed out the captions should have been in black and white too, if at all, as for the clips used what a diabolical choice, when there is performances sitting in the dust spluttering the words let me out let me out. And as for the playout what were the TOTP2 office thinking of, have they lost their bleedin marbles, this just proves they have lost the plot and don't care about the viewers. Let's just feed them the same stuff. Well enough's enough Mr BBC. If ya can't put a simple half hour programme together then don't bother, or hand it over to us the people who DO care and know what the viewers want to see. If this is the shape of things to come with TOTP2 the 70's nobody will watch it. Yours disgusted of Brum.
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