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Post by markg on Feb 20, 2012 9:20:48 GMT
Well, most of those DJs are still alive, they could pop in and redub them...
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Feb 20, 2012 9:33:28 GMT
Unfortunately there are several more editions that are technically unbroadcastable as well. 15-10-70 and 14-1-71 have mute links with DJ in vision so can't be used. Ah yes, i'd forgotten about those! To be honest though, as Pete says, too much apologising or amending is undertaken with regard to vintage repeats. If something exists in a depleted form, it should just be explained and then shown regardless, if it's that or nothing! The recent BBC-4 jazz weekend had a Sonny Rollins 1974 concert at Ronnie Scott's reassembled from two sources, with the programme cutting from b/w to colour at random throughout! If that's considered acceptable (and it's fine by me) then I don't reckon that the occasional mute DJ link on TOTP is any worse. 1/7/71 edition: that's an odd one. It looks to me like they experimented with a different format briefly whereby the links (out of vision) were voiced by the DJ live over studio / band shots with a title on screen. It seems that the edition was pre-recorded hence the live sound links were not on the master tape. They CAN be used. All you do is edit out the links. It's been done before, and is easy. |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Feb 20, 2012 9:39:08 GMT
Laurence, I believe that although the Beeb have a bit of a 'thing' about having to broadcast shows in 'broadcast quality' only, there are many times that they have shown footage from prints, home recordings, etc....I mean, technically, it's also easier to clean up b/w footage too, if the sound source is perfect, or a perfect sound source is available (which would apply to certain performances in the earlier part of the 60's, that weren't needing to be rerecorded....). Anyway, I'm wittering on and on....bus stop doing that.
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Post by Paul Cooksley on Feb 20, 2012 16:41:02 GMT
Any shows that are broadcastable ie complete editions would be great.The ratings would be really high as these eraly editions ie early 70s would be very popular.If Festival channel can show them why not BBC? Does anyone know why they never showed from the beginning of 1976? i know some are missing and i do have a good quality copy on dvd of the 8/1/76 iam puzzled? I asked about this at the time when I was called upon to do a couple of BBC local radio interviews last April to tie in with the repeat season... Basically, I got told that (quite obviously) when the repeat season was initially planned the archival status was firstly taken into account. 1976 of course being the first year that a 'sizeable' number of editions exist. The repeat season was initially going to kick in more or less at the begining of the year (2011) and the idea was to show TOTP chronologically keeping to the approximate week of transmission as originally broadcast all those years ago. It was then realised that out of the first 13 editions of the show in 1976 (Jan-March) that only 6 out of the originally transmitted 13 episodes officially existed within the BBC archives and therefore it was thought that the "weekly" editions would not correspond at all well, keeping in mind to keep them "kind of" running in sync with the same week etc... April '76 was considered the best starting point because apparently that was the next best start slot for BBC4 that would tie in with a 'reasonable' sync. Of course, the rest of the archive gaps for 76 were filled in with things like the regular 'Sky at Night' so it kind of ran in sync still.... |
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Post by Pete Seaton on Feb 21, 2012 0:27:35 GMT
TOTP2 ONE MORE TIME : just show the footage
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Post by Tony Walshaw on Feb 22, 2012 21:11:39 GMT
Passive music fans will enjoy seeing performances again from more carefree times in their life. They may not really notice the mute links.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Feb 23, 2012 0:25:23 GMT
You could even edit, and not have links. Not quite the same, but, to be honest, if it got the clips broadcasted, hell, I'd cope. The BBC have a pretty good list of what exists and hasn't been shown. And I would push - if I ever get influential enough to - for Bus Stop, Love Stealer and Daydreamer to be shown. Now these three aren't 'broadcast quality', but wait up, Daydreamer exists in Australia and maybe a 'kinescope of a linescope', but that didn't stop Oz TV showing it. Love Stealer has actually been issued(!) on DVD, and Bus Stop could used dubbed sound from the mono Parlophone single (well, CD), and as it's monochrome, the techies at the BBC could clean it up enough. Believe me, I am really going to push for this. I am positive that there is enough reasoning and call for a series of unseen-on-the BBC-since-broadcast performances out there, and, ratings wise, Big Hits (with two rare performances, and Xmas TOTP2 with the Jean Genie) justify more rare clips being shown. Also the Queen dod did fairly well rating-wise. An interview on various news shows with some old musos (as happened with the Queen doc), and/or accompanying press publicity....I mean, if you agree that ratings are more (sadly) influential than ever, the justification is THERE. Also, by the way, did I ever tell you about the promo film the Beeb apparently have that has never been bootlegged, and is the only copy known to exist....by a very bootleggable artist?  It's a hit from 1973, and filmed in Sunninghill............... |
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Post by Bob Savage (robstar) on Feb 23, 2012 0:48:31 GMT
Ray do tell all about the promo from 73. I'm with you all the way on the TOTP performances that the BBC know about, I regularly email them about showing the Jimi Hendrix TOTP, Manfred Mann TOTP, Hollies - Bus stop TOTP, Pink Floyd - See Emily Play TOTP Shadows - Don't Make My Baby..TOTP, Marc Bolan - Teenage Dream TOTP (these are my personal wish list) I have also mentioned all those 70's TOTP clips that sit in ZDF's archive.
I fully agree with most who post here that picture quality should not be the most overiding factor when clips are to be considered for broadcast, after all these are rare and the public will expect as much.
Keep on keeping on Ray! :-)
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Feb 23, 2012 9:31:32 GMT
Ray do tell all about the promo from 73. I'm with you all the way on the TOTP performances that the BBC know about, I regularly email them about showing the Jimi Hendrix TOTP, Manfred Mann TOTP, Hollies - Bus stop TOTP, Pink Floyd - See Emily Play TOTP Shadows - Don't Make My Baby..TOTP, Marc Bolan - Teenage Dream TOTP (these are my personal wish list) I have also mentioned all those 70's TOTP clips that sit in ZDF's archive. I fully agree with most who post here that picture quality should not be the most overiding factor when clips are to be considered for broadcast, after all these are rare and the public will expect as much. Keep on keeping on Ray! :-) I'm amazed noone has tried to guess what the promo is! |
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Post by markg on Feb 23, 2012 10:59:03 GMT
Bootlegable artist from 1973 in Sunninghill. hmm...
Could be George Harrison (Lennon had gone by then)
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Feb 23, 2012 15:56:00 GMT
Bootlegable artist from 1973 in Sunninghill. hmm... Could be George Harrison (Lennon had gone by then) Very close, but no cigar. He actually played on it.... (not in the video though....) |
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Post by Pete Seaton on Feb 23, 2012 16:25:36 GMT
Ringo with T.Rex ?
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Post by markg on Feb 23, 2012 16:39:05 GMT
Bootlegable artist from 1973 in Sunninghill. hmm... Could be George Harrison (Lennon had gone by then) Very close, but no cigar. He actually played on it.... (not in the video though....) Is he in the Photograph? |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Feb 23, 2012 16:59:15 GMT
Correct! Ringo's promo for this has apparently been missing since its' one and only UK broadcast in 1973 - it wasn't issued on the compilation of promos that were on the video section of 'Photograph' (2007). A few stills are in circulation, but, that's it. I am told the Beeb have it, reliably.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Feb 23, 2012 17:00:49 GMT
To clarify - the 'greatest hits' compliation which I mentioned had a straight CD issue, and also ones with promo videos on.
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It's a hit from 1973, and filmed in Sunninghill...............