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Post by CliveUK on Oct 12, 2004 14:35:32 GMT
Can anyone tell me the archive status of the 1970's 'Rupert The Bear' series ? I remember reading somewhere that some of the episodes were missing although I do know of at least one foreign station which was showing the series as late as the early 90's
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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 12, 2004 17:44:10 GMT
Quite a few exist although loads are missing. Very patchy is the best way of describing it. Some of the surviving ones have burnt-in subtitles on screen too (although not all, by any means).
If missing episodes have been screened in the '90s, maybe Carlton would be interested. Aside from the rights issues, i'd have thought it would make a good DVD release.
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Post by H Hartley on Oct 12, 2004 19:33:23 GMT
I don't know if its true but...
I heard there was was a rights issue with the series.
Apparently the Daily Express (who owned Rupert and the Nutwood characters), were not very happy when dear old Uncle Lew, decided to add his own characters to the Nutwood village to soup things up a bit.
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Post by Mark Boulton on Oct 13, 2004 13:36:49 GMT
I seem to remember ATV and Central showing them throughout the early 80s - surely they can't be as patchy as all that?
I also remember reading on the Carlton website (when it existed) that many ITC and ATV programmes were physically kept by Central (even if Central didn't actually own the rights to them) "in trust", and that a project was underway to re-catalogue this material and move it to a more modern storage facility.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 13, 2004 15:38:58 GMT
I'm just going by the Kal listing. There were four series. Only the first series (26 episodes) is virtually complete in a broadcastable fashion. The other series are held on a mixture of formats (mainly colour or b/w prints with subtitles, some are without them) or completely missing.
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Post by Mark Boulton on Oct 14, 2004 11:25:13 GMT
Maybe what Central had were 1" telecine transfers rather than the masters - probably being TX dubs they may have been junked in the late 80s, and the originals were probably no longer cared for in the belief that 1" copies were being kept?!?!
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Post by john40dalek on Oct 15, 2004 6:34:57 GMT
Rupert the Bear book in 50's, 60's is worthy to read and I would like to see again TV from 70's, also been watch animated cartoon was great.
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Post by Lee Bannister on Oct 15, 2004 10:46:55 GMT
I also remember reading on the Carlton website (when it existed) that many ITC and ATV programmes were physically kept by Central (even if Central didn't actually own the rights to them) "in trust", and that a project was underway to re-catalogue this material and move it to a more modern storage facility. This confirms something that I'd heard from a Central employee I knew, who worked in Presentation in the late 90s. He said that although the ATV/ITC library had changed hands a couple of times since Central split away from ATV/ITC in the mid 80s, physically that Archive had always remained at Central. The only time it moved, was when the entire archive was shifted down to Central South in Abingdon. Recent contact with Granada have revealed it's now either at, or on it's way down to, Granada Media's office/facility in Perivale. It would appear that the paperwork relating to the ATV/ITC library has physically changed hands through the various owners, which could explain why it may be incomplete... By the way, I'd absolutely adore a DVD of this series of Rupert - it's one of my earliest TV memories (I was born in Sept '73). |
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Post by H Hartley on Oct 15, 2004 14:03:54 GMT
[quote author=Lee Bannister
By the way, I'd absolutely adore a DVD of this series of Rupert - it's one of my earliest TV memories (I was born in Sept '73).[/quote]
..and the theme tune will play in your mind forever.
great little series
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Post by Lee Bannister on Oct 15, 2004 15:52:24 GMT
Tell me about it - I do a radio programme at the weekend, and I played it a couple of weeks ago!
You can't get away with that sort of thing very often!
Marvelous!
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Post by John Miller on Oct 19, 2004 20:27:53 GMT
Taking up the earlier points in the thread, as I understand it hte missing material hails from the later 1974 run. This doesn't seem to be due to junking but possibly as film prints strayed from the library at the time. This is what I've heard anyway.
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Post by Mark Boulton on Oct 20, 2004 15:26:29 GMT
Really Lee? I was born in Sept '73 too!  |
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Post by Lee Bannister on Oct 21, 2004 12:36:16 GMT
Well how about that! ;D
24th for me... I be a Libra chap!
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Post by Mark Boulton on Oct 22, 2004 14:44:37 GMT
Well how about that! ;D 24th for me... I be a Libra chap! 3rd for me - makes me a Virgo  |
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Post by ethantyler on Oct 23, 2005 0:55:11 GMT
From what I know... - 156 episodes were made in total.
- 82 of those episodes are lost.
- 74 of those episodes exist, but...
- 16 episodes exist only in black and white, whilst...
- 58 episodes exist in colour.
I'm currently attempting to compile an archive guide for The Adventures of Rupert Bear, but it's a surprisingly difficult task with so little information available. If anyone knows of any original broadcast dates, any episodes that definitely exist or any episodes that definitely do not exist, please let me know.  Two episodes that I know do exist are: - "Rupert and the Flying Circus" - I believe this might have been the first broadcast episode, but the ninth to be produced; and
- "Rupert and the Old Hat" - I believe this might have been the twenty-fifth episode produced, although I have no idea when it was broadcast.
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