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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 23, 2005 9:30:25 GMT
According to the Kal guide, quite a few of the surviving eps have on-screen subtitles too. Hopefully, when Granada / Carlton finally finish their archive audit, maybe more prints will be unearthed along with other goodies...
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Post by john g on Oct 23, 2005 10:06:02 GMT
The Thames premier was
28/10/ 1970
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Post by Clive Shaw on Oct 23, 2005 12:08:06 GMT
I am surprised that so many are still missing, hopefully it is just a cataloguing exercise and the rest will turn up at some point.
'Rupert The Bear' was sold or shown in many countries, until at least the early 90's. I know of one commonwealth country who purchased a set of episodes in the late 70's and were still showing them weekly when I visited in 1989.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 24, 2005 3:54:15 GMT
I am surprised that so many are still missing, hopefully it is just a cataloguing exercise and the rest will turn up at some point. 'Rupert The Bear' was sold or shown in many countries, until at least the early 90's. I know of one commonwealth country who purchased a set of episodes in the late 70's and were still showing them weekly when I visited in 1989. |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 24, 2005 3:57:02 GMT
'Rupert The Bear' was sold or shown in many countries, until at least the early 90's. I know of one commonwealth country who purchased a set of episodes in the late 70's and were still showing them weekly when I visited in 1989. Rupert screened here in New Zealand a number of times over the years, in both b/w and colour, during the 1970s. I was unaware so may were missing. And, yues, I'd love to see some of these again! And once you've heard the theme song, it's almost impossible to forget it! Jon |
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Post by ethantyler on Oct 24, 2005 4:24:15 GMT
Has anyone ever attempted to follow up the overseas archive leads? It seems to me, if episodes were being broadcast no more than fifteen years ago, there is a good chance they might still exist.
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Post by nick g on Oct 24, 2005 20:39:29 GMT
From what I know... - 156 episodes were made in total.
- 82 of those episodes are lost.
- 74 of those episodes exist, but...
- 16 episodes exist only in black and white, whilst...
- 58 episodes exist in colour.
I'm currently attempting to compile an archive guide for The Adventures of Rupert Bear, but it's a surprisingly difficult task with so little information available. If anyone knows of any original broadcast dates, any episodes that definitely exist or any episodes that definitely do not exist, please let me know.  Two episodes that I know do exist are: - "Rupert and the Flying Circus" - I believe this might have been the first broadcast episode, but the ninth to be produced; and
- "Rupert and the Old Hat" - I believe this might have been the twenty-fifth episode produced, although I have no idea when it was broadcast.
You need the Kaleidoscope Children's Guide. It lists season 1 28/10/70 - 21/04/70 (27 eps) as completely existing in broadcast form except ep 1 (The Flying Machine 28/10/70) which is missing and ep 14 (Sky Boat 27/01/71) which has subtitles). Mind you is 'flying machine' the same as ' flying circus'? If you know it exists then Kaleidoscope is wrong or out of date. Season 2 16/9/71 - 16/03/72 (26 eps) exists in various formats mostly with subtitles - Crackerjack 18/11/71 and Sketch-Book 30/12/71 are missing. Forest Fire 11/11/71 and Unlucky Simon 24/02/72 don't have subtitles. Season 3 19/9/73 - 18/06/75 (89 eps) has 34 eps left with about half with subtitles. Season 4 31/12/75 - 24/8/77 (15 eps) is mostly junked except Giant Pancake 24/3/76. I have this episode so can confirm it exists. |
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Post by Clive Shaw on Oct 24, 2005 20:56:52 GMT
Good info, my source is most likely to have series 4, they bought it around 1977 so I suspect may have bought the most modern (missing) series.
What is the likelihood of Series 4 still existing in some yet as catalogued ex-ATV archive ?
I really do not want to force some good friends I have at a particular TV station to waste their lunch hours searching for something that may still exist in the UK.
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Post by ethantyler on Oct 25, 2005 12:53:05 GMT
From what I know... - 156 episodes were made in total.
- 82 of those episodes are lost.
- 74 of those episodes exist, but...
- 16 episodes exist only in black and white, whilst...
- 58 episodes exist in colour.
I'm currently attempting to compile an archive guide for The Adventures of Rupert Bear, but it's a surprisingly difficult task with so little information available. If anyone knows of any original broadcast dates, any episodes that definitely exist or any episodes that definitely do not exist, please let me know. Two episodes that I know do exist are: - "Rupert and the Flying Circus" - I believe this might have been the first broadcast episode, but the ninth to be produced; and
- "Rupert and the Old Hat" - I believe this might have been the twenty-fifth episode produced, although I have no idea when it was broadcast.
You need the Kaleidoscope Children's Guide. It lists season 1 28/10/70 - 21/04/70 (27 eps) as completely existing in broadcast form except ep 1 (The Flying Machine 28/10/70) which is missing and ep 14 (Sky Boat 27/01/71) which has subtitles). Mind you is 'flying machine' the same as ' flying circus'? If you know it exists then Kaleidoscope is wrong or out of date. Season 2 16/9/71 - 16/03/72 (26 eps) exists in various formats mostly with subtitles - Crackerjack 18/11/71 and Sketch-Book 30/12/71 are missing. Forest Fire 11/11/71 and Unlucky Simon 24/02/72 don't have subtitles. Season 3 19/9/73 - 18/06/75 (89 eps) has 34 eps left with about half with subtitles. Season 4 31/12/75 - 24/8/77 (15 eps) is mostly junked except Giant Pancake 24/3/76. I have this episode so can confirm it exists. Thanks a lot Nick. That's very helpful. |
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Post by Clive Shaw on Oct 25, 2005 17:36:34 GMT
When you guys say "Junked" do you mean you know the masters were wiped or that we do not currently have information that they still exist ?
There is an important distinction here... We do have documentary evidence that the BBC junked (wiped) certain programmes, do we have similar evidence that ITV did the same ?
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Post by john g on Oct 25, 2005 21:14:45 GMT
IF there is a problem with Rupert being junked it maybe due to copyright clearance problems?
Rupert is owned by Express newspapers. (And according to another thread a while ago ) They agreed a deal for ITC to film it, but uncle Lew thought the concept needed 'jazzing up' and added another character of his companies' making, which had nothing to do with the original Express cartoon/book.
The Express was not happy as obviously they wanted to keep the integrity of Nutwood . So once the deal
had run with perhaps a repeat showing? They would not allow it to be shown again.
So as they could not show them again perhaps they got junked?
This may/may not be just a rumour. and they may just need proper indexing?
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John Stewart Miller
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Post by John Stewart Miller on Oct 30, 2005 22:24:47 GMT
Maybe the copyright difficulty explains why it hasn't been released? I know I found it frustrating to find all the video material commercially available was that new animated version that was done. Popular character.
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Post by Matthew on Nov 1, 2005 16:43:39 GMT
Do any colour episodes with burnt-in subtitles, also exist without subtitles, but in b/w, theoretically both copies could be motion-vector stabilised and then matching small sections of the b/w footage could be used to obsure the subtitles then computer colourised?
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Post by williamM on Nov 2, 2005 17:09:25 GMT
pure genius |
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Post by Matthew on Nov 8, 2005 16:18:32 GMT
A couple of posts back I wrote: "Do any colour episodes with burnt-in subtitles, also exist without subtitles, but in b/w, theoretically both copies could be motion-vector stabilised and then matching small sections of the b/w footage could be used to obsure the subtitles then computer colourised?".
This has now led me to wonder if it is possible that the "clean" subtitles still exist, either as 16mm film with black subtitles against a clear background intended to be sandwiched against the original negative when making a print with subtitles? or clear with white subtitles to be sandwhiched against a print to strike a subtitled dupe negative?
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