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Post by Alan Turrell on Sept 10, 2010 18:05:42 GMT
Absolutely right Paul ,Gary Gitter was a major star in the 70s and the bbc cannot change musical history .What he has done in recent years is totally evil and unacceptable but i like to remember him for the music he made.
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Post by Sal Mohammed on Sept 10, 2010 18:09:31 GMT
Didn't Mike Leander produce and co-write most of Glitter's hits? It's kind of punishing an innocent party that has nothing to do with Glitter's crimes. It's strange that you can still hear Glitter's songs at sporting events in the US.
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Post by Chris Barratt on Sept 10, 2010 18:29:35 GMT
What's your opinion of show's like Radio 2's "Million Sellers' Top 100 recently broadcast on August Bank Holiday Monday, whereby Gary Glitter's song was (I believe) the only record to be quickly mentioned on the chart but not played? Ok, no one in their right mind would ever, ever, ever condone or think of him in a positive light with regards to the crimes he was convicted of, but to kind of try and "erase" him out of pop history, to me, seems really stupid. He was a successful act during that certain era in the seventies - no matter what he went on to do - and therefore, I feel, should be represented in history (especially shows like the Radio 2 recent countdown) for his music and contribution at the time - not for what became of him in recent years.... Am I alone in thinking this? Am I wrong? To me, it's almost along the lines of certain words removed from early OFAH episodes. Ok, "bad" words racially now - and perhaps then - I am again not condoning the words AT ALL, but - nevertheless, part of history and kind of "ok" in their context within the time of the show - if anything history should be shown "as it was" to really make us see just how far we have come - for the better! Sorry - rant over ! It's lowest-common-denominator idiocy, plain and simple. Time will show that however distasteful the fancies of Paul Francis Gadd, his "crimes" as they were are relatively minor. Words like "evil" are thrown around lightly these days to describe anyone who falls out of favour with the tabloid press, and PFG has basically been hunted around the globe by coke-snorting hacks under the instructions of hypocritical morons such as Kelvin McKenzie, Gary Bushell & Rebekah Wade in order that they - and their feckless bovine readership - feel better about themselves. It is those self-same guardians of the public morality who made Gary Glitter - a man of modest talents but no modest ego - a "legend" way beyond his ability or natural shelf-life. His last "conviction" was, no doubt in my mind, set up by the UK gutter press in a country where "justice" can be bought for the price of a packet of polo's. It's a 21st Century phemonenom "Media Demons", very much akin to medieval witch-burning. Censorship is nearly always wrong, this sort of censorship of benign old glam rock hits is creepily Orwellian. What next - letters sent out to anyone born when GG was number 1 telling them in that their birthday "number one" is actually The Carpenters or The Osmonds? Yes, it is that stupid. I strongly object to having history re-written - especially about something so trite - in order to patronise imbeciles. Poor Mike Leander actually died in 1996, 2 years before Gadd took that fateful trip to PC World. The ridiculous treatment of a large part of his musical legacy - of which he masterminded and wrote the majority of - ever since means he's probably spinning in his grave at speeds well in excess of 45rpm
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Post by Chris Dabbs on Sept 10, 2010 19:13:23 GMT
Totally agree with you Chris. He's the one act I wished I got to catch live. It's because we live nowadays in a PC world (no pun intended!). Of course - what he was convicted of was shocking and I don't in any way condone. I'm surprised no-one was picked up on the Gary Glitter soundailke track for the Pampers ad doing the rounds at the mo! :-)
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Post by John Fleming on Sept 11, 2010 7:01:39 GMT
That may be the case. However, some of us can't get German TV! But we can all get Bit Torrent
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Post by Tony Cross on Sept 11, 2010 12:40:13 GMT
I tried Bit Torrent in the past, John but couldn't get anything to work.
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Post by Tom McPhillips on Sept 11, 2010 15:01:11 GMT
What's your opinion of show's like Radio 2's "Million Sellers' Top 100 recently broadcast on August Bank Holiday Monday, whereby Gary Glitter's song was (I believe) the only record to be quickly mentioned on the chart but not played? Ok, no one in their right mind would ever, ever, ever condone or think of him in a positive light with regards to the crimes he was convicted of, but to kind of try and "erase" him out of pop history, to me, seems really stupid. He was a successful act during that certain era in the seventies - no matter what he went on to do - and therefore, I feel, should be represented in history (especially shows like the Radio 2 recent countdown) for his music and contribution at the time - not for what became of him in recent years.... Am I alone in thinking this? Am I wrong? To me, it's almost along the lines of certain words removed from early OFAH episodes. Ok, "bad" words racially now - and perhaps then - I am again not condoning the words AT ALL, but - nevertheless, part of history and kind of "ok" in their context within the time of the show - if anything history should be shown "as it was" to really make us see just how far we have come - for the better! Sorry - rant over ! You are certainly not alone Paul. Less than an hour ago I posted the exact same sentiments on another forum. No matter how reprehensible you find him you cannot simply erase him from history. The same applies to Jonathan King. His Entertainment USA shows brought a wealth of talent to UK viewers attention but because of his personal life he is now a "non-person" as far as broadcasting is concerned. I am looking forward to seeing the vintage TOTP shows. The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Oliver Roemer on Sept 15, 2010 10:53:52 GMT
I totally agree with you about the GG editing, but I also think that the Beeb will probably leave the original shows "untouched" for a re-broadcast in the UK, as the decision for editing them was made especially at the request from Eins Festival and their team, not by the BBC, they were only selling the requested material to Germany.
Regards,
Oliver.
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Post by Chris Barratt on Sept 16, 2010 10:20:26 GMT
I would like to think so Oliver, but I doubt it. To the tabloid-reading "Jeremy Kyle" nation that the UK has become, Gary Glitter is seen as "more evil" than Hitler, Stalin & Pol Pot combined. The thinking seems to be that if one of his tunes is even whistled within 100 yards of a child then this will constitute direct child abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 7:58:05 GMT
Now i was a huge fan of gary glitter in the 70s and saw him 3 times in the 80s.Actually his shows were really good. I am really angry that they edited him out as his performances are soo good on top of the pops. Dont edit M jackson or jonathan king or not play his songs even though we all know the truth there. Anyway its about his music not the man. I really want them to show an unedited complete copy of 15/11/73 and others with him in.so i can record them . I manged to get a pristine copy of 28/12/72 and 25/12/73 and 28/12/74 all with him in and no tv idents. Lets hope BBc four repeat them properly the demand is there.
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Post by Chris H on Sept 17, 2010 18:30:01 GMT
I would love it they if do transmit complete unedited editions, but if their treatment of many recent Sight & Sound in Concert and Rock Goes to College re-broadcasts are anything to go by, then I'm not holding my breath. I was gutted when concerts by Gary Moore, AC/DC & Thin Lizzy for example were whittled down from around 40 to 30 mins for BBC4, yet those same titles have all been shown on foreign TV stations in recent years in their entirety.
As for GG's performances staying intact...I think its very unlikely sadly.
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Post by Mark Wrighton on Sept 20, 2010 12:55:27 GMT
It is worth keeping an eye on the BBC4 Sight and Sound concert re-broadcasts as they have shown both the 40 minute and cut down 30 minute versions of the Santana concert in the last 12 months.
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Post by nicadare on Sept 20, 2010 13:28:31 GMT
Mind you, they'll be "doctored" in one way anyway - as regards being defaced by an ident on screen, which so many people accept as "ok" these days (but was a contributing factor in my decision to not have TV in my house a while back). The BBC Four DOG is in the top left, isn't it? And the Einsfestival one is in the top right. Hmmmm... Assuming they will be broadcast in their original 4:3 aspect ratio and most European TVs are 16:9 widescreen the idents or station logo's shouldn't be a major problem. A simple conversion into 16:9 will lose the ident (as well as some of the picture both top & bottom) but it's better than having wide black bars at either side of the picture and stops making everyone look the same shape as Ronnie Corbett. ;D img.villagephotos.com/p/2010-7/1358393/Aspect%20Ratio%20Original.JPGimg.villagephotos.com/p/2010-7/1358393/Aspect%20Ratio%20Widescreen.JPG
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Post by Nick Gilbert on Sept 20, 2010 15:38:10 GMT
Chris Barrett wrote: "Time will show that however distasteful the fancies of Paul Francis Gadd, his "crimes" as they were are relatively minor. Words like "evil" are thrown around lightly these days to describe anyone who falls out of favour with the tabloid press, "
I can't let this pass without comment. He was convicted in Vietnam of sexually abusing 10 and 11 year old girls - I think that deserves the 'evil' tag and can hardly be classed as relatively minor. You seem to believe that his only crime was to have pictures of underage girls on his computer. If he had stopped there, served his sentence and reformed then I would have ome sympathy but he has proved himself unable to control himself. If you had been convicted of a 'reletively minor crime' and were under the scrutiny he was under, would you even contemplate going to Vietnam to pick up little girls? Sheer madness or evilness take your pick.
I am dead against censorship but I would find it very difficult to condone being part of Glitter earning any money - presumably it's not so much censorship as the desire to avoid paying royalties to him?
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Post by nicadare on Oct 1, 2010 20:59:11 GMT
I noticed tonights music programme "Singer-Songwriters at the BBC" was broadcast on BBC4 without the annoying BBC FOUR logo. They have done this before with certain episodes of Sounds of the Sixties. Hopefully this will become more common, I can understand having the logo if programmes are being broadcast via satellite to foreign viewers but there is no need for it on Freeview stations for British viewers.
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