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Post by richardwoods on Dec 4, 2016 10:38:02 GMT
Since I'm a Fred Barker fan and there's nothing of him online, I saved the playback images from Ronnie's thread. Here's one of them. View AttachmentWell done Sue |
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Post by Sue Butcher on Dec 5, 2016 6:23:08 GMT
Here's the other three I saved. I'm inclined to think the tape's genuine. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 13:27:59 GMT
Doubtless the tape was genuine ... sadly Ronnie didn't seem to be.
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Post by Ronnie Gerrard on Dec 25, 2016 18:51:59 GMT
Doubtless the tape was genuine ... sadly Ronnie didn't seem to be. I resent your stupid comment Shelley. Attack me for the price I was asking for the tapes maybe, but not for being disingenuous .I challenge anyone to prove anything I stated was not genuine.Don't fret Shelley, you are just like many members on here,they thought the price was too heavy so they resorted to any underhanded tactic to discredit me and the tapes |
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Post by Rich Cornock on Dec 25, 2016 19:59:25 GMT
Ah Ronnie nice to hear from you after all this time. Perhaps you could tell us what became of the tapes? Did you sell them in the end of do you still have them?
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Dec 25, 2016 20:25:02 GMT
`Ronnie went silent after someone asked him how much he actually wanted for his tapes.'
It wasn't that he chose to go silent but a case of the thread being closed down by one of the moderators. Not this one obviously , there were tho threads on the subject. I'm sure the other one was titled `those 39 tapes' or something similar.
Won't be surprised if this goes the same way!
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Post by Greg H on Dec 25, 2016 21:03:02 GMT
`Ronnie went silent after someone asked him how much he actually wanted for his tapes.' It wasn't that he chose to go silent but a case of the thread being closed down by one of the moderators. Won't be surprised if this goes the same way! Hi Ronnie, would be interested as well to hear what happened with your tapes in the end! Either way about, I hope you are having a great Christmas and wish you well for the coming year. |
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Post by Jeff Leach on Dec 25, 2016 22:01:44 GMT
Hi Ronnie, I for one never doubted the authenticity of the tapes - Would be interested to know the outcome
Cheers Jeff
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Post by jbuoys on Dec 28, 2016 18:15:08 GMT
Interestingly, I recently got to meet Ronnie. It transpires that we have a mutual acquaintance who lives just outside Bangor N Wales.
To cut to the chase, the tapes do exist – they are ½ inch tape on 5 inch plastic reels housed in cardboard reel boxes with their contents handwritten on them. His video machine is a Sony CV2000 which is connected to a small Sony black & white monitor TV. The TV is switched to 405 lines which is the format the tapes are recorded at. Apparently this is not the machine the tapes were recorded on.
We had a long chat and I found him to be straightforward and quite personable – he recalled our ‘exchanges’ on the forum. After a while I tactfully mentioned to him that some members suspected the tapes were blank due to his unwillingness to let them be viewed. He explained that he had already played each tape from beginning to end and, on the advice of a studio engineer was reluctant to keep playing them due to deterioration of the signal on the tape, which, to be honest does make sense.
However, he invited me to pick one tape and said he would play it for me to verify that the tapes contained what was written on the boxes. I selected one tape at random and he laced it up on the machine and played it. The content was exactly as written on the box. The quality of the recordings was, in my opinion very good – good clarity and good contrast with some slight, occasional ‘breaking away’ of the picture at the very top of the screen. The recordings I viewed appeared to have been made by someone who wanted to record clips as opposed to complete programmes, a bit like how we used to record off Pick of the Pops(!). I believe the recordings are all black and white.
After meeting with him, I think the only criticism which can be levelled at Ronnie is that he is not willing to give the tapes away and is certainly not interested in the hassle of selling the tapes singularly. Unlike us, he has no passion for the rare content, but he does realise the value in them. That said, he did make a point of saying that he would quite like the tapes to remain in this country and he understood our desire for them to be made ‘available’ for mutual viewing as opposed to being bought by some collector with deep pockets thereby never seeing the light of day again.
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Post by Ronnie Gerrard on Dec 29, 2016 19:04:13 GMT
After 9 yrs it's so nice to see that finally,one or two people think I am genuine,thank you
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Post by richardwoods on Dec 29, 2016 20:45:54 GMT
I'm glad that the tapes have been confirmed as 405 line recordings. That was the only issue that I had was that the monitor "looked" like it was 625 line only, (obviously my mistake), which wouldn't have fitted with the type of recorder being used to play back the tapes. It's easy to be sceptical considering how many false rumours there have been in the past, great news when something turns out to be genuine. Excellent news that the tapes are still in Ronnie's possession. Ronnie, have you contacted Ayesha Brough? You may have missed that she has been publicly talking about her sadness over the loss of the Lift Off Archive, she would be the obvious person who would be interested in your tapes?
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 4, 2017 14:33:13 GMT
After 9 yrs it's so nice to see that finally,one or two people think I am genuine,thank you Ladies and Gents, I am quite sure that the recordings of these clips are genuine. But they're on a 405 line format which is notoriously difficult to convert to anything useful. As a surviving record, examples of these broadcasts are always welcome, but they're only ever going to be of interest to those interested in archive TV. They will never end up on a DVD release or used in a TV broadcast. They are a curiosity and have no real financial value. Even if there was a method to electronically convert this footage (I have only managed it once from a CV2000) the results will be technically poor and I had a lot of very expensive kit to play with. My advice would be to sell them to Kaleidoscope. Whatever they offered you for them before would have been good for you and good for them. However, if I were them, I would give you a good price for the machine and get you to throw the tapes in for free. They're not really worth anything. Paul |
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Post by jbuoys on Jan 5, 2017 11:40:08 GMT
I believe the National Media Museum in Ealing have an excellent track record in transferring tapes recorded on a CV2000 to DVD.
Having spoken at length with Ronnie I can safely say that, far from giving the tapes to them ‘for free’, no amount of money would persuade him to sell to Kaleidoscope. There would appear to be a significant amount of bad blood between them; I have no idea of the rights or wrongs of this disagreement but, suffice to say, any mention of Kaleidoscope is an inexorable way of ensuring he never releases the tapes for our viewing.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 5, 2017 12:16:49 GMT
I believe the National Media Museum in Ealing have an excellent track record in transferring tapes recorded on a CV2000 to DVD. Having spoken at length with Ronnie I can safely say that, far from giving the tapes to them ‘for free’, no amount of money would persuade him to sell to Kaleidoscope. There would appear to be a significant amount of bad blood between them; I have no idea of the rights or wrongs of this disagreement but, suffice to say, any mention of Kaleidoscope is an inexorable way of ensuring he never releases the tapes for our viewing. I suspect then that he will never find a buyer. I just don't think the material is worth it unless he is prepared to sell for what the tape is actually worth to someone prepared to pay what it's worth. FYI There is no National Media Museum in Ealing. It's in Bradford. Transferring material to DVD from a CV2000 is currently only possible by pointing a camera at a TV screen and recording the result. Although good results can be achieved if you have a decent monitor, quality is limited by the inherent instability of the original material, the stability of the timebase of the monitor and the limitation of the camera recording the output. DVD is also a compressed format and as we know, not something we can rely on over time. I would like to be proved wrong, but I doubt that the National Media Museum in Bradford has a rolling programme of archiving CV2000 tapes to DVD. Regards, Paul |
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Post by jbuoys on Jan 5, 2017 15:52:53 GMT
I apologise Paul, the facility based in Ealing is The Video Ark which is a company the National Media Museum recommend for transfer from CV2000 to DVD.
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