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Post by Kev Mulrenan on May 15, 2010 8:24:40 GMT
I don't believe payola was the reason for the change. At the end of the 60s and in the early 70s, pop(ular) music (or music that charted high in the singles hitparade) was dubbed "commercial" amongst so-called serious music lovers - the worst expletive there was at the time. Everyone turned to "progressive" music instead. Suddenly to be in the singles charts was something negative. I remember a talk with my cousin when I was 10 years old in 1971. He played a record by Gentle Giant which I found really boring. I stated "I prefer 'Get it on'", which just caused a pitiful expression on his face, while he replied "Much too commercial". I knew this was the most devastating verdict he could think of. Beat Club just followed this change because it wanted to be 'hip'. If you look at one episode in 1970/1971 (I forgot when exactly), Uschi Nerke made the following announcement: "Und nun zur Abwechslung mal etwas Kommerzielles - die Move mit ihrer neuen Single "When Alice comes to the Farm", translated as "And now for a change something commercial, the Move with their new single "When Alice...". Now, anyone knowing this song will probably doubt that it is "commercial" in the strict sense of the word. But it was a single and as such dubbed "commercial" - in a negative sense. Similarly Mungo Jerry's "In the summertime" was dubbed "Unterhaltungsmusik" (easy listening) and interrupted by Uschi reading a report about torture methods in Brazil. Remember that it was around that time that several renowned artists refused to release any singles from their albums. Looking back, this surely was a false move by Beat Club. But that's 20/20 hindsight ... Thanks Andreas - that was an excellent post and very enlightening. Very interesting the translation for that Beat Club intro to The Move as well. I strongly concur regarding the change of attitude to music during 1969 and the early 70's - I think this was echoed in many countries, particularly those who regarded themselves as "serious" music lovers - this really caused a definite distinction (for the first time ever) between the older "hip" teens from the younger brigade who still preferred the commercial, pop music. In the UK TOTP, although obviously still covering "charting" material, also reflected these changes with some of those "progressive" acts of 1970 and 1971 that appear in the surviving shows, plus devoting a segment of the show to "album tracks" for a time in 1971. Whilst I agree with the above it should be noted that around this time Johnnie Stewert had a sabbatical around this time and payola entered the totp sphere. That's how some of those more obscure acts got onto totp. The famous Colour Me pop?Janie Jones case also springs to mind. btw Laurence did you see that Janie Jones segment in the recent Radio 1 night? |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2010 10:06:21 GMT
No, I missed that one actually! What was it? TV or radio? What did it consist of?
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Post by Kev Mulrenan on May 15, 2010 13:19:41 GMT
No, I missed that one actually! What was it? TV or radio? What did it consist of? It was the News of the Screws case from the mid 70's involving Johnnie "Mister T" Walker. She appeared in a brief interview saying that Johnnie W needed no encouragement hopping up the stairs for some "Ladies and Gentleman" despite his leg being in a cast! |
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Post by Chris Barratt on May 16, 2010 17:27:12 GMT
I don't think that the 1970's period of covering more obscure and/or hitless artists on TOTP heralded 'payola' as much as trying to cover the trends for album-based rock or progressive acts. It certainly gave the show a much-needed lift at the time as can be seen on any of the surviving shows. I do believe that 'payola' did not evade TOTP, and certainly did not disappear until Michael Hurll took over - the show covered all manner of 'flops' under Robin Nash's stewardship, many of them being utter drivel. Post-Hurll, everybody believed the blueprint for inclusion on TOTP was the song going up the Top Forty or staying static, but in reality the post-Nash 80's were the only time in the show's history that stuck to such a guide.
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Post by FrankMeier on Jun 28, 2010 14:08:48 GMT
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Post by nicadare on Jul 4, 2010 11:58:50 GMT
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Post by FrankMeier on Jul 8, 2010 20:20:27 GMT
On ARD Video web site is a PDF File with all playlists. www.ardvideo.de/Musikladen.pdfNow we have the confirmation that all Musikladen Episodes are complete - no cuts ! Exception is Musikladen 73 - which was a German special - this one is replaced with a Don Williams special from may 1982. No.74 (the Shakin' Stevens special is also completely released. I just ordered the box sets |
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Post by nicadare on Jul 10, 2010 14:46:20 GMT
Thanks for the episode list Frank, I think this is a 'must have' box set. 
I wish they would release Hollands 'Toppop' in this manner.
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Post by Paul Watkins on Jul 10, 2010 15:03:04 GMT
Pity about the pricing though  £300+ |
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Post by nicadare on Jul 10, 2010 20:11:38 GMT
Pity about the pricing though £300+  |
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Post by Paul Watkins on Jul 11, 2010 9:46:14 GMT
Pity about the pricing though £300+ nic, where did you find it that cheap. ard are selling it for 99 euros for each box, that's over £250 with postage. and not quite as good value as the beat club box sets which are £100 for all three. |
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Post by nicadare on Jul 11, 2010 16:19:43 GMT
On the official ARD site they are 249 Euro's for all 3 box sets which is about £210.
Buying them all together rather than individually makes them cheaper.
Total cost to the U.K including postage is approx £221.
My German's not too hot (over to Herr FrankMeier!) but this is on the ARD website "lieferbar ab 19.08.2010" which I think means that the DVDs will not be available now until the 19th August 2010.  www.ardvideo.de/70-d09189-dvd-musikladen-no.-1-3.html
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Post by FrankMeier on Jul 12, 2010 6:50:17 GMT
Nic
yes this means delivery starts August 19th, and the special price from ARD Shop for all three boxes
is valid til August 30th.
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Post by nicadare on Jul 14, 2010 17:28:37 GMT
DAVID BOWIE Broadcast 4th August 1978 Sense of Doubt Beauty and The Beast Heroes Stay The Jean Genie TVC 15 Moon Of Alabama Rebel Rebel Is there any reason why this episode is not included in the box sets or is the list on the ARD website incomplete? I know a dodgy camera was used in the filming of this session which resulted in a missing 'pixel' on the footage which is very evident , annoying but the inclusion of the Bowie special still would of been nice. Having said that on the ARD website David Bowie's name DOES appear but this is probably reffering to the Ashes to Ashes video which was broadcast and not a studio appearance. "Erleben Sie Künstler wie Johnny Cash, Sonny & Cher, T. Rex, Thin Lizzy, The Bee Gees, The Rolling Stones, Rod Stewart, Ike & Tina Turner, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Sha Na Na, Steppenwolf, The Who, Bonnie Tyler, Boney M., Suzie Quatro, Meat Loaf, Blondie, The Police, David Bowie, Roxy Music, Grace Jones, Kool & The Gang, Cat Stevens, Queen, Kim Wilde, Ultravox, Talk Talk, Duran Duran, Robert Palmer, Spandau Ballet, Frankie goes to Hollywood, Jennifer Rush, Dire Straits, Wham, Madness, Bananarama, OMD, Phil Collins, Yazoo, Culture Club, Limahl und viele, viele mehr…" 
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Post by FrankMeier on Jul 15, 2010 7:47:43 GMT
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