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Post by FrankMeier on Sept 13, 2009 11:08:53 GMT
Dears,
yesterday I went to Beat Club and Friends, the show of Joerg Sonntag of RB which takes place every month. I had a chat with him and with Torsten Schmid - the guy who wrote the Beat Club book. Two very ineteresting news :
The Musikladen book should be released by November /December this year and content all playlist of Musikladen and outtakes (but no extra shows etc).
Further and surely more interesting is a planned release of a Musikladen Box set by the same time. All 90 Episodes of Musikladen - no cut - full Episodes.
Chrismas can come !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2009 9:51:43 GMT
Very good news and this will make a nice companion to the Beat Club sets already available. What i'd like to see for both series are follow-up DVDs with the unreleased / warm-up material made available too!
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Post by FrankMeier on Sept 14, 2009 13:44:44 GMT
Laurence
I fear that won't happen. The only way to see unreleased material is the new TV Show of Jörg Sonntag
starting also in November this year (working Title is Beat Club reloaded , but he mentioned that it will be finally get the same name like the events at radio Bremen every month : Beat Club and friends)
During my chat with Torsten Schmid , he mentioned that once the Musikladen project is finished he may take up the advices and working on a new book about all the Special show like Beat Club III , Beat Club Workshop and Musikladen Extra, as this seems to be enough Material for it.
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Post by Roger Houdaille on Sept 17, 2009 23:06:37 GMT
I just got informed that there are plans for a "rarities" Beat Club box set next year. Considering the wealth of unused material, it should be VERY interesting!
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Post by FrankMeier on Oct 16, 2009 19:03:50 GMT
Jörg Sonntag said that he expect the box set of Musikladen released in january 2010
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Post by FrankMeier on Nov 9, 2009 7:51:21 GMT
Last Information from Saturday - The Musikladen Box Set actual plannings are for February / march 2010
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2009 9:45:51 GMT
Thanks for the info, Frank. Another one to look out for with a strong line-up of acts!
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Post by FrankMeier on Apr 28, 2010 7:18:55 GMT
just a quick update:
Asked Joerg Sonntag for the Status of the ML Box set. Joerg said that their collegues still clarifying the rights but are in the "last round" . At this time he won't give a guess about the release date of the box set.
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Post by Tim Disney on Apr 28, 2010 22:49:57 GMT
Thanks for the update Frank. I'm really looking forward to these and had wondered if they would ever become a reality.
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Post by Louise Penn on May 13, 2010 13:51:56 GMT
Musikladen was always a pleasure to watch so good news these are coming out. I'm still collecting the Beat Club ones (although the 1969 episodes in full are hard going; it was hardly the greatest musical era ...). Still, it's great to see anything from this era.
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Post by nicadare on May 13, 2010 17:02:54 GMT
I'm still collecting the Beat Club ones (although the 1969 episodes in full are hard going; it was hardly the greatest musical era ...). Still, it's great to see anything from this era. There was plenty of good music around in 1969, Beat Club started to go pear-shaped in that year, instead of showing popular music acts from the charts which made Beat Club a must, the programme introduced long winded, boring performances which were monotonous and drab.  |
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Post by Kev Mulrenan on May 13, 2010 17:10:52 GMT
I'm still collecting the Beat Club ones (although the 1969 episodes in full are hard going; it was hardly the greatest musical era ...). Still, it's great to see anything from this era. There was plenty of good music around in 1969, Beat Club started to go pear-shaped in that year, instead of showing popular music acts from the charts which made Beat Club a must, the programme introduced long winded, boring performances which were monotonous and drab. Payola must have had a lot to do with. Just look at the amount of Immediate artista that appeared and when that went bust, no more buckaroos for the producer! I suppose Dave lee Travis leaving had an effect too. Beaclub at various stages reminds me of RSG!, Top of the Pops and then Old Grey Whistle Test. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2010 19:03:53 GMT
I don't believe payola was the reason for the change. At the end of the 60s and in the early 70s, pop(ular) music (or music that charted high in the singles hitparade) was dubbed "commercial" amongst so-called serious music lovers - the worst expletive there was at the time. Everyone turned to "progressive" music instead. Suddenly to be in the singles charts was something negative.
I remember a talk with my cousin when I was 10 years old in 1971. He played a record by Gentle Giant which I found really boring. I stated "I prefer 'Get it on'", which just caused a pitiful expression on his face, while he replied "Much too commercial". I knew this was the most devastating verdict he could think of.
Beat Club just followed this change because it wanted to be 'hip'. If you look at one episode in 1970/1971 (I forgot when exactly), Uschi Nerke made the following announcement: "Und nun zur Abwechslung mal etwas Kommerzielles - die Move mit ihrer neuen Single "When Alice comes to the Farm", translated as "And now for a change something commercial, the Move with their new single "When Alice...".
Now, anyone knowing this song will probably doubt that it is "commercial" in the strict sense of the word. But it was a single and as such dubbed "commercial" - in a negative sense.
Similarly Mungo Jerry's "In the summertime" was dubbed "Unterhaltungsmusik" (easy listening) and interrupted by Uschi reading a report about torture methods in Brazil.
Remember that it was around that time that several renowned artists refused to release any singles from their albums.
Looking back, this surely was a false move by Beat Club. But that's 20/20 hindsight ...
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Post by Kev Mulrenan on May 13, 2010 19:44:12 GMT
I don't believe payola was the reason for the change. At the end of the 60s and in the early 70s, pop(ular) music (or music that charted high in the singles hitparade) was dubbed "commercial" amongst so-called serious music lovers - the worst expletive there was at the time. Everyone turned to "progressive" music instead. Suddenly to be in the singles charts was something negative. I remember a talk with my cousin when I was 10 years old in 1971. He played a record by Gentle Giant which I found really boring. I stated "I prefer 'Get it on'", which just caused a pitiful expression on his face, while he replied "Much too commercial". I knew this was the most devastating verdict he could think of. Beat Club just followed this change because it wanted to be 'hip'. If you look at one episode in 1970/1971 (I forgot when exactly), Uschi Nerke made the following announcement: "Und nun zur Abwechslung mal etwas Kommerzielles - die Move mit ihrer neuen Single "When Alice comes to the Farm", translated as "And now for a change something commercial, the Move with their new single "When Alice...". Now, anyone knowing this song will probably doubt that it is "commercial" in the strict sense of the word. But it was a single and as such dubbed "commercial" - in a negative sense. Similarly Mungo Jerry's "In the summertime" was dubbed "Unterhaltungsmusik" (easy listening) and interrupted by Uschi reading a report about torture methods in Brazil. Remember that it was around that time that several renowned artists refused to release any singles from their albums. Looking back, this surely was a false move by Beat Club. But that's 20/20 hindsight ... Great info! With my o level German I can just about understand what is going on, but wish I was fluent to get every detail! |
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Post by bleslie7 on May 14, 2010 23:39:46 GMT
I don't believe payola was the reason for the change. At the end of the 60s and in the early 70s, pop(ular) music (or music that charted high in the singles hitparade) was dubbed "commercial" amongst so-called serious music lovers - the worst expletive there was at the time. Everyone turned to "progressive" music instead. Suddenly to be in the singles charts was something negative. I remember a talk with my cousin when I was 10 years old in 1971. He played a record by Gentle Giant which I found really boring. I stated "I prefer 'Get it on'", which just caused a pitiful expression on his face, while he replied "Much too commercial". I knew this was the most devastating verdict he could think of. Beat Club just followed this change because it wanted to be 'hip'. If you look at one episode in 1970/1971 (I forgot when exactly), Uschi Nerke made the following announcement: "Und nun zur Abwechslung mal etwas Kommerzielles - die Move mit ihrer neuen Single "When Alice comes to the Farm", translated as "And now for a change something commercial, the Move with their new single "When Alice...". Now, anyone knowing this song will probably doubt that it is "commercial" in the strict sense of the word. But it was a single and as such dubbed "commercial" - in a negative sense. Similarly Mungo Jerry's "In the summertime" was dubbed "Unterhaltungsmusik" (easy listening) and interrupted by Uschi reading a report about torture methods in Brazil. Remember that it was around that time that several renowned artists refused to release any singles from their albums. Looking back, this surely was a false move by Beat Club. But that's 20/20 hindsight ... Thanks Andreas - that was an excellent post and very enlightening. Very interesting the translation for that Beat Club intro to The Move as well. I strongly concur regarding the change of attitude to music during 1969 and the early 70's - I think this was echoed in many countries, particularly those who regarded themselves as "serious" music lovers - this really caused a definite distinction (for the first time ever) between the older "hip" teens from the younger brigade who still preferred the commercial, pop music. In the UK TOTP, although obviously still covering "charting" material, also reflected these changes with some of those "progressive" acts of 1970 and 1971 that appear in the surviving shows, plus devoting a segment of the show to "album tracks" for a time in 1971. |
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