Post by Peter Chadwick on Nov 13, 2008 7:22:59 GMT
Just the Miami Ed Sullivan afternoon rehearsal survives, Joe. But it's complete. As for 'MMT', I've no idea how much unused footage survives, but it should be enough for at least a decent amount of extras. There's also a complete version of 'I Am The Walrus' with the band featured from beginning to end (unlike the 'MMT' version). I'm sure there's all sorts of stuff they could use - the near ten minute version of 'Flying', for example.
More interesting by the minute! Very excited that there's a complete "band take" of I Am The Walrus, which i'd never heard of before! I hope that one is utilised in full somewhere, along with the Miami rehearsal.
As Joe says though, there's presumably no reason why all the MMT rushes shouldn't survive, is there? I'd assumed they were all still there as - unlike the earlier films - this was made by the group themselves and their own company.
One the subject of group / NEMS / Apple-shot material, Peter, do you happen to know how many outtake versions or extra runthroughs exist on the VT reels of the '66 Paperback Writer / Rain and '68 Hey Jude / Revolution colour videos? Mark Lewisohn's books are very thorough generally but on this point are a bit ambiguous; on the '66 recordings, the distinction between a taped runthrough (which, I suppose, may or may not have been watched back and taped over again) and actual accepted takes (and how many in total) isn't made clearly. He also makes reference to a parody of It's Now Or Never while David Frost is recording his bit to camera (which presumably still exists, although i've never seen or heard it myself). Just wondered what in total actually sits on all those VT reels..!
it amazes me how much beatles stuff there is left gathering dust in archives. the beatles have certainly been very slow in letting anybody see anything extra other than the standard beatles dvd's. at the rate this extra material appears it will be my great grand children who will get to see it rather than me
It's ironic that the Granada performance of "I should have known better" from 10/14/64, as mentioned by Jeff Lewis is lost, but a rehearsal, or secondary camera shot through the control window survives and can be seen on Youtube. www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCFtaid8PGE
Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Nov 14, 2008 8:55:15 GMT
There are two different versions or edits of Hey Jude and three intros that I have, Laurence. I think it's interesting that Born to Boogie (made by Apple) had some outtake footage found in 'Ringo's garage' (a warehouse in Feltham) plus the multi track masters of the sound. I'm POSITIVE there will be outtakes lying around. For outtakes of Paperbak Writer, Rain promos and the others shot from 64-66, in may be worth contacting Intertel who shot them, if the company still exist? LWT (Part of the Granada archive) would have anything from Frost. The It's Now or Never bit from the Hey Jude session is very brief and a definite piss-take.
Yes, there are (according to Mark Lewisohn) three actual takes of Hey Jude that were shot, with the most commonly seen version apparently being an edit of two of them (the two don't vary THAT much though, in terms of camera shots and performance). What I was wondering though was, are there extra runthroughs or discarded takes also on the master VT reel of that number (and of Paperback Writer and the others) in addition to the three (or however many) "official" takes?
It's just so bizarre that The Beatles - being who they are - are one of the most under-represented groups of all when it comes to the DVD / CD market, with regard to all the material that exists!
Post by Peter Elliott on Nov 14, 2008 12:04:15 GMT
The InterTel footage and possible outtakes should all reside with Apple. InterTel were an independent company for whom Brian Epstein and The Beatles hired, so any and all footage would (I guess) had been handed over to NEMS and The Beatles. InterTel's job was simply to provide whatever services The Beatles required so they would had paid for all costs such as the tapes. The infamous clip of them munching on fish and chips was effectively an out-take since Epstein hated it and refused to let it be used. I have no idea when that clip first surfaced nor where from, but my guess it's likely to have been Apple... after all where did all those "Let It Be" movie out-takes come from?
From what I recall, from Anthology era interviews, Apple should have all the raw master 16mm film footage shot for Magical Mystery Tour, so the unused scenes and out-takes should be in the Apple archive. According to the Lewisohn books there should be some interesting stuff in there such as a performance by Ivor Cutler, Nat the Rubber Man chasing scantily clad girls (directed by John Lennon) and maybe Apple even have the film of Traffic performing "Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush" which also ended up not being used. The DVD of that has much promise.
As for the "Hey Jude" promos, there exists a grey area DVD where whoever compiled it synched up all three versions and presented them onscreen at the same time in different corners of the picture allowing the viewer to compare and contrast the differences between the three clips. I haven't seen this but have read about it and saw a screencap a while ago.
Yes, i'd assumed all the MMT footage still existed too, Peter. Having said that however, you never can tell for sure as Apple don't volunteer info very often on what they actually have! It would make for a very tempting extras package for a MMT DVD though, if it were all still sitting there..! Let's hope so.
The Hey Jude clip was on Youtube a while ago, from a user known as glassonion, who had done a similar thing with "Paperback Writer", "I Feel Fine" et al. He also had the Apple promotional fil, which consists mainly of Mary Hopkin playing in a field, but with some nice Mcartney acoustic noodlings, performed at Abbey Road, whilst John, Yoko, and his then girlfriend Frannie Schwarz sit at his feet.
On the Beatles subject, this following user has some interesting videos. Nice to see the Scene at 6:30 performance in full, (rather than the cobbled together Anthology version), and the footage at Dromoland Castle (where Lennon and Harrison took a late '63 break) is quite amazing....
Yeah, it's a promo to I Feel Fine shown on the 10th Aniversary TOTP broadcast 27/12/73. That show is 'around' on the trading circuit but the quality is not the greatest (possibly due to it being a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy). It does apparantly exist in full in the BBC archives and that seems to have been the initial source for the copy I have. The show is preceeded by a makeshift video to the Kinks' 1970 album track 'Top Of The Pops'
Its the Famous INTERTEL clips, A company in the UK who specialized in making VT when there were no one but the beeb or ITV. Eppy was fascinated at the Idea of making these "videos" so the "boys' would not have to apper on many shows "live".
Oh and the clip Ive seen of it is 1st gen. Bloody marvelous quality BTW. Same goes for all the other Interl clips.. they even have "clocks" on em!
Just had a search for intertel Beat clips.
Heres is the best Description I could find in 5 seconds
Tuesday 25 November should be regarded as an important day in the history of popular music and television, for it was then that the Beatles, directed by Joe Mcgrath, filmed what were to become the first pop videos. Made to avoid the necessity of constant exclusive TV appearances, and to make profit from direct sales to various TV companies throughout the world, these promos, shot at Twickenham by Intertel VTR Services, were quickly shot pieces that were nevertheless hugely significant in that they were important precursors what, in the seventies and eighties, would later become known as the pop video age.
The Beatles shot ten clips in all, several of which were completed in multiple versions. These comprised three versions of ‘We Can Work it Out,’ one of ‘Help!,’ three of ‘Day Tripper’ one of ‘Ticket to Ride’ and two of ‘I Feel Fine.’ According to Mark Lewisohn's excellent Complete Beatles Chronicle, the BBC paid NEMS (the Beatles management company), £1750 for several broadcasts of the clips (largely on Top of the Pops), which in itself shows a tidy profit as the cost of the production was itself just £750! By far the most interesting of these is the ‘fish and chips’ version of ‘I Feel Fine,’ (not sold to television at the time at Epstein’s behest). Although many of the clips made only a semi-diegetic use of music (for example, on ‘Help!’ Ringo simply holds an umbrella), this video almost totally breaks with the notion of mimed performance altogether, and merely features the group eating fish and chips with almost no attempt at miming!
According to an interview I conducted with Joe McGrath in 1996, this was largely at the behest of John Lennon, though of course this break with performance had been pioneered by Richard Lester and the group themselves in sequences such as ‘Can’t Buy Me Love’ in A Hard Day’s Night, where music was used in a much more illustrative capacity, to accompany their cavorting in a park. An important landmark, nonetheless.
Now check out Youtube they are all there.. In varying quality,
Its funny that the anthology project didn't make much use of em at all.. I mean you could sync the stereo "mixes" ( I know I have and I mean from the REAL lp's) and make a grand DVD
It's an InterTel promo film; one of the ones they shot between 64 and 66 - I have been trying to track down the holders of the InterTel archive, not much luck.
Intertel were a facilities-for-hire company. They shot VT for other people and would have no archive of their own as such. The Beatles material was shot for NEMS (the Beatles company) and the material is owned by / resides with Apple.