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Post by Eric Lawton on Feb 5, 2009 13:13:17 GMT
Rob Hutchinson wrote: also why is phil allowed to get away with not using his full name...?
Watching this post with mild interest, I dont believe OR disbelieve the postings, but its a point that SOME folk get bollockings for not using their full name.....................whilst SOME dont. I dont think its too much to ask.
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Post by Larry Dutch on Feb 6, 2009 13:34:03 GMT
What I would give to see the Beatles' one and only actual TOTP app in 1966. This is a myth that continues to be trotted out. It's a well known fact that The Beatles appeared on TOTP a lot more than once (a rudimentary glance at Mark Lewisohn's books will give you the dates / song details). Several times in 1964 and once in 1965 too. The '66 appearance was their only live (as it went out) performance but all the others were genuine TOTP appearances too (i.e. shot in advance as inserts but in the TOTP studio specifically for that show). Any average music fan should know this.. Apologies Laurence - I omitted the word "live" before TOTP - well, "live" in the sense of them being in the studio on the day of recording though they of course mimed. I've been told that the infamous June 1966 TOTP episode in question is extremely likely NOT to exist. The initial story about its existence on 16mm in the USA is based on hearsay and supposition rather than any verifiable personally sighted evidence. Sadly I believe it doesn't exist though naturally I would love to be proven wrong. Its existence is as unconfirmed as a DW authority like Richard Bignell being told by a film dealer for example that he recently sold a bunch of film prints to an American bloke, including a missing Troughton ep. All you've got to go on is someone telling you they had it. I'm sure Bignell would not tout a story like that unless he had personally sighted the ep and the same should have applied to the TOTP ep story too. I know who started the latter story and while he is a lovely guy, he is at times prone to taking stories at face value. He never personally sighted the cans or what was inside. I do believe there may be several 1960s TOTP eps out there somewhere but this particular one is very unlikely, sadly. One question - was TOTP ever broadcast outside of the UK pre-1980s? Yes, I have all those Lewisohn books and indeed have had the pleasure to meet him on numerous occasions. Just wait until you see his next book on the Fabs - will be pretty amazing though not due out for some years. People think there must be nothing left to tell of the Beatles story given all the existing publications out there but I know his next tome will not disappoint. The level of research and detail he has been undertaking is truly staggering. Cheers LD
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Post by johnstewart on Feb 12, 2009 18:11:06 GMT
This is a myth that continues to be trotted out. It's a well known fact that The Beatles appeared on TOTP a lot more than once (a rudimentary glance at Mark Lewisohn's books will give you the dates / song details). Several times in 1964 and once in 1965 too. The '66 appearance was their only live (as it went out) performance but all the others were genuine TOTP appearances too (i.e. shot in advance as inserts but in the TOTP studio specifically for that show). Any average music fan should know this.. Apologies Laurence - I omitted the word "live" before TOTP - well, "live" in the sense of them being in the studio on the day of recording though they of course mimed. I've been told that the infamous June 1966 TOTP episode in question is extremely likely NOT to exist. The initial story about its existence on 16mm in the USA is based on hearsay and supposition rather than any verifiable personally sighted evidence. Sadly I believe it doesn't exist though naturally I would love to be proven wrong. Its existence is as unconfirmed as a DW authority like Richard Bignell being told by a film dealer for example that he recently sold a bunch of film prints to an American bloke, including a missing Troughton ep. All you've got to go on is someone telling you they had it. I'm sure Bignell would not tout a story like that unless he had personally sighted the ep and the same should have applied to the TOTP ep story too. I know who started the latter story and while he is a lovely guy, he is at times prone to taking stories at face value. He never personally sighted the cans or what was inside. I do believe there may be several 1960s TOTP eps out there somewhere but this particular one is very unlikely, sadly. One question - was TOTP ever broadcast outside of the UK pre-1980s? Yes, I have all those Lewisohn books and indeed have had the pleasure to meet him on numerous occasions. Just wait until you see his next book on the Fabs - will be pretty amazing though not due out for some years. People think there must be nothing left to tell of the Beatles story given all the existing publications out there but I know his next tome will not disappoint. The level of research and detail he has been undertaking is truly staggering. Cheers LD A lot of the traced missing clips came from abroad sources. It does seem from 1966 on TOTP was probably pre taped more often and T-Rs made and sold either as complete or just segments.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2010 14:57:11 GMT
I've been told that the infamous June 1966 TOTP episode in question is extremely likely NOT to exist. The initial story about its existence on 16mm in the USA is based on hearsay and supposition rather than any verifiable personally sighted evidence. Sadly I believe it doesn't exist though naturally I would love to be proven wrong. Well, I don't have any personal evidence myself but I have tended to trust pop writer Keith Badman on things he has said in the past as regards the existence of obscure clips before others have caught on to them. If he writes an article in a nationally distributed magazine that states he traced the print in the '90s to it's previous owner, who am I to say he's lying? He must have a good reason to state this. So let's hope his info does prove to be reliable... TOTP was regularly recorded by 1966, John, by the way. I have been through the PasB paperwork. It wasn't every week but often (whether pre-recorded or otherwise). Clips from the 16/6/66 show were repeated in subsequent editions and the Paperback Writer performance was used again in the xmas edition (plus a lengthy clip featured in Late Night Line-Up shortly after the TOTP transmission), meaning that the VT was still around six months later at the very least. I think it's also the case that a copy was put onto film for The Beatles (Ringo is claimed to have had this recording but was destroyed amongst other material in a big fire at his house in the late '70s). This has all been mentioned here many times before but i'm repeating it now for the benefit of newcomers.
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Post by johnstewart on Oct 5, 2010 22:50:22 GMT
I've been told that the infamous June 1966 TOTP episode in question is extremely likely NOT to exist. The initial story about its existence on 16mm in the USA is based on hearsay and supposition rather than any verifiable personally sighted evidence. Sadly I believe it doesn't exist though naturally I would love to be proven wrong. Well, I don't have any personal evidence myself but I have tended to trust pop writer Keith Badman on things he has said in the past as regards the existence of obscure clips before others have caught on to them. If he writes an article in a nationally distributed magazine that states he traced the print in the '90s to it's previous owner, who am I to say he's lying? He must have a good reason to state this. So let's hope his info does prove to be reliable... TOTP was regularly recorded by 1966, John, by the way. I have been through the PasB paperwork. It wasn't every week but often (whether pre-recorded or otherwise). Clips from the 16/6/66 show were repeated in subsequent editions and the Paperback Writer performance was used again in the xmas edition (plus a lengthy clip featured in Late Night Line-Up shortly after the TOTP transmission), meaning that the VT was still around six months later at the very least. I think it's also the case that a copy was put onto film for The Beatles (Ringo is claimed to have had this recording but was destroyed amongst other material in a big fire at his house in the late '70s). This has all been mentioned here many times before but i'm repeating it now for the benefit of newcomers. it has appeared in print several times too; that 2 prints of 1966 TOTP changed hands between collectors in the 1990s. I second that about Keith Badman. His reported hearsay on exported lost TOTP clips such as KINKS 'WONDERBOY' have been substansiated by that which turned up from Holland on YouTube in recent years. Theres probably other orphaned clips gleaned over the years out there too from the original exported excerpts to Europe from BBC enterprises.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Oct 6, 2010 8:38:38 GMT
I trust Keith very highly too, and I must say that everything that he's said to me has been highly accurate.
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Post by Ewan Montague on Oct 26, 2010 16:58:05 GMT
I agree, with that as for the Africa progress, I would assume that if any negotiations were in progress then it wouldn't be possible to say so or give any details. I should think the cryptic messages are as much as can be told.
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Oct 9, 2013 20:11:00 GMT
Hello all. After several months of background research by myself and others, there is now progress in establishing whether there are any BBC tv programmes in the archives of certain specific African stations. I'm afraid though that I can't reveal more information than that at this stage, nor which countries are involved, but communication lines are now established and an exchange of information taking place. As soon as any new information appears I'll let you know. Cheers, Paul Jambo Paul: As my Swahili-speaking friend says: 'Pole pole ndio mwendo.' (Slow and steady wins the race.) Good luck! Asante, Doug As the saying goes in Swahili ... 'Pole pole ndio mwendo.' (Slow and steady wins the race.) So perhaps we need a new thread called "Africa Results" (or, perhaps even "Global Results" or "Back from the Omni-Safari"). Huge congratulations to everyone involved in the very, very, very successful missing episode hunt. You went after very elusive quarry indeed, and success was always unlikely, but you returned victorious! Hip, hip, hooray! Doug
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Post by petermcbain on Oct 12, 2013 6:15:46 GMT
I have to say that I was always a bit dubious of this thread and read it all with a grain of salt but it really proves that anything is possible. This week has lifted my spirits and given me hope that there could be more out there. Thanks again to everyone involved.
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Post by Alex Dering on Oct 13, 2013 20:36:06 GMT
"(4) uncatalogued holdings in various FIRST WORLD Commonwealth countries' film/TV archives where the show was screened"
This brings a question to mind. Okay, I realize that archivists aren't going to let a bunch of strangers root through the film canisters. But is seems that a big part of the problem is that the material backlogs because of the amount of time required to process each new acquisition.
In the public library, volunteers sometimes reshelve the books. It's not complicated work, but someone has to do it. Is there an equivalent task that archivists have to do that could be, reasonably, handed over to a volunteer with a minimum of training, thus freeing up time for the qualified staff to clear the backlog? Sure, an amateur shouldn't be let near a damaged film that requires careful conservation, but surely the archivists can sort a box of films into "someone just needs to watch this and write down what's on the title cards and do it correctly, so hand it over to the volunteer when he comes in on Saturday" and "this needs to go into refrigeration until it can be transferred, and we better get it right the first time because it won't last twice."
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Post by John Wall on Oct 13, 2013 21:26:40 GMT
How long does it take to look at the start of a reel of film to see if it's TP4 ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 23:18:59 GMT
lol yeah, web of fear would be a minor find wouldnt it dont hold your breath though To quote Amy Pond, did you wish really hard?
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Post by Alex Dering on Oct 14, 2013 0:11:39 GMT
How long does it take to look at the start of a reel of film to see if it's TP4 ? I don't know how archivists work their systems, but if there's backlog (and there is, according to another poster, always backlog) a triage system must be employed or you run the risk of something sitting in a box rotting away for two months until you can get to it. So probably all the films are glanced at as they come in. Crack open the canister, look at the film quality. If it's bad, fast track it for conservation. If it's good? Put it back to be gotten to in time. Thus, a perfectly good Dr. Who film will be put aside because other films that are damaged take priority. The archivist possibly doesn't even catalog the stable films until there is actually time to do it properly. If the individual archivist KNOWS to look for Dr. Who episodes, it will probably get flagged. But otherwise, it's just one otherwise-fine film among many. Remember how long that print of Metropolis sat in a South American archive? I can't believe any film archivist would NOT know that a complete print of Metropolis was considered lost, so it sat there because, well, no one actively went looking for it. Why? The archivist probably had a whole lot of other things to do. How many backlog films does an archive have? I don't know. How many archives are there? How many films does one archive hold? At Jos, was it something the size of a small bedroom or was it row after row of films? Was the search for one film canister out of a couple hundred or a couple thousand?
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Post by Tim Burrows on Oct 26, 2021 13:11:18 GMT
It may seem like an obvious question, but is there any update that can be given on the coordinated search?
Can Ethiopia, Nigeria, Sierra Leone etc now be safely ruled out?
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Post by John Wall on Oct 26, 2021 15:08:23 GMT
I trust Keith very highly too, and I must say that everything that he's said to me has been highly accurate. Probably….. Sometime PM will spill all the beans
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