|
Post by LanceM on Aug 9, 2008 18:31:55 GMT
As Richard has stated on the Pamela Nash issue, as far as I am aware she was following current BBC Enterprises sales and viewing procedures to ensure that all stipulations were being met by foreign broadcasters who routinely purchased material from BBC Enterprises.
So, if Pamela had been following the progress of the telerecordings to ensure all policy regarding the purchased prints was followed, that would seem to suggest that the BBC would most likely have some sort of tracking documentation to be able to document that the print had been disposed of or returned to the BBC. Not sure there, could be totally wrong there ? Just seems odd that the BBC would have the ability to actively follow a prints movements when originally sold, might this suggest a possible avenue for further research of the sold prints ? Might there be a possibility that such information may be in existence ? Or did Pamela not keep such records on the destruction trails she was following into " late in the day" ?
I am still holding hope that further material exists in private collection, however the only way we will probably see anything result from that is if there is a publication of the Ian Levine Reward that is being offered for example ? TV Spot ? etc.
Possibly given the recent re-screenings of classic program's on BBC4 possibly a mentioning that there are other programs missing and a large chunk of cash is being offered by Ian Levine for the return of Doctor Who TV material ? just some ideas to ponder.
I am also hoping that further material will be located within official TV broadcast archives, or University Film Holdings, Retired TV personnel or TV Executives, etc. Seeing how everything is moving in the digital direction, and as archives and institutions are able to raise appropriate backing for digitization projects that more material ( and not just Dr Who ) will be located within archives, misfiled within their own holdings. Material continues to surface such as the recent earliest episode of Crossroads that was discovered misfiled in the archives, or the Fury From The Deep trims, Space Pirates trims, An episode of Adam Adamant Lives If I recall correctly, also most of the episode of Out Of The Unknown " The Little Black Bag" on its original 2in video, Ice Warriors discoveries in Villers House.
Granted in Doctor Who related recoveries have thinned down from the official archives of late, but seeing that material is still being found (Power Of The Daleks Clips) leaves me hoping that given time more may be uncovered once again for all to see.
Cheers, Lance.
|
|
|
Post by John Andersen on Aug 10, 2008 3:57:16 GMT
Pamela Nash's job as Programme Supply Organiser would have meant that she would have been responsible for tracking the progress of the telerecordings that Enterprises sent out and making sure that they had followed the contracted instructions as to what they needed to do with those prints following transmission. And indeed, BBC Worldwide still need to ensure that the contracts that broadcasting organisations around the world have with them in regard to transmitting their material are followed. Richard And that is a big reason why more Doctor Who episodes were not recovered from overseas television stations. When I read in DWM in 1984 that the BBC were contacting all the television stations that bought Doctor Who in the past and that they were still waiting for replies, I had great hopes that there would be a few stories returned from seasons 4 and 5. If I had known that the BBC had contacted those stations asking them to destroy the episodes or to return them to the BBC to be destroyed, then I wouldn't have been so optimistic. I can imagine the conversations where the BBC contacted those stations. BBC - "This might be kind of hard to believe, but do you have these Hartnell or Troughton episodes? We managed to lose our copies and we are currently looking for them now." Overseas station - "Why would we have them? Your employee gave us instructions to destroy the prints. You mean you actually destroyed your own copies?!" Welcome to the world of over 100 missing episodes.
|
|
|
Post by John Andersen on Aug 10, 2008 4:03:36 GMT
I am still holding hope that further material exists in private collection, however the only way we will probably see anything result from that is if there is a publication of the Ian Levine Reward that is being offered for example ? TV Spot ? etc. Possibly given the recent re-screenings of classic program's on BBC4 possibly a mentioning that there are other programs missing and a large chunk of cash is being offered by Ian Levine for the return of Doctor Who TV material ? just some ideas to ponder. Lance. I like your ideas, Lance. It would be worth a try since other methods are currently not resulting in any Doctor Who episodes being returned.
|
|
|
Post by Greg H on Aug 10, 2008 10:33:26 GMT
Anyway, what would you most like to see return?? Personally, I'd love to see something from The Smugglers, The Web of Fear or Fury from the Deep! ;D Richard Virtualy identical choices to what I would make Good choice
|
|
|
Post by John Andersen on Aug 12, 2008 4:14:15 GMT
Anyway, what would you most like to see return?? The Abominable Snowmen and The Web of fear stories are unique to the Doctor Who series. These were the only stories in which the Yeti and the Great Intelligence were the main enemy, and both stories are now unwatchable by the loss of the episodes. If anybody wants to watch a Yeti story from Doctor Who, they have no alternatives. I had always hoped that the episodes from at least one Yeti story would be returned. Sadly, that has not been the case.
|
|
|
Post by Greg H on Aug 12, 2008 7:26:59 GMT
No, they havent been returned Bummer. As a kid, older relatives always used to talk about the yeti stories and how amazing they were, and from the existing evidence I have to agree. Thats life I guess. At least weve got tomb of the cybermen! Thats a classic we can watch!!!! Im off to do that now
|
|
|
Post by John Andersen on Aug 12, 2008 18:15:53 GMT
No, they havent been returned Bummer. As a kid, older relatives always used to talk about the yeti stories and how amazing they were, and from the existing evidence I have to agree. When DWO announced the rumor that The Web of Fear had been found last September, I was so happy. That was a big letdown when DWO waited about six weeks before finally admitting that their story had run into a dead end.
|
|
|
Post by B Thomas on Aug 13, 2008 9:39:58 GMT
No, they havent been returned Bummer. As a kid, older relatives always used to talk about the yeti stories and how amazing they were, and from the existing evidence I have to agree. When DWO announced the rumor that The Web of Fear had been found last September, I was so happy. That was a big letdown when DWO waited about six weeks before finally admitting that their story had run into a dead end. I'm sure we all would have liked that to be true. "...Snowmen" may be the superior story of the two but "...Web..." is the one that had the most impact on it's audience and is, therefore, the one I'd most like to see returned (out of those two)...
|
|
|
Post by John Andersen on Aug 13, 2008 15:32:00 GMT
I'm sure we all would have liked that to be true. "...Snowmen" may be the superior story of the two but "...Web..." is the one that had the most impact on it's audience and is, therefore, the one I'd most like to see returned (out of those two)... Yeah, but I could never figure out why they went ahead and put out the rumor that the story had been found without having some kind of proof. They also said it was the fault of the Doctor Who fans that the story ended up becoming as big as it was, and that they were not responsible for all the commotion.
|
|
|
Post by Jon Preddle on Aug 13, 2008 20:50:43 GMT
I'm sure we all would have liked that to be true. "...Snowmen" may be the superior story of the two but "...Web..." is the one that had the most impact on it's audience and is, therefore, the one I'd most like to see returned (out of those two)... I'd love to seee The Web of Fear again. I remember it well from 1971. Scared the **** out of me. Jon
|
|
|
Post by B Thomas on Aug 13, 2008 22:59:28 GMT
Hiya Jon - long time no see (even though we only live around the corner from each other...).
Yep - I'd just like to see it; I missed it last time it was on (far too young and incapable of watching it!). Although it was one my dad sat glued to from start to finish...
|
|
|
Post by John Andersen on Aug 14, 2008 5:34:31 GMT
[quote author=jpreddle board=who thread=3627 post=36935 time=1218660643[/quote]
I'd love to seee The Web of Fear again. I remember it well from 1971. Scared the **** out of me.
Jon [/quote]
Hell, I would settle for seeing episodes 2-6 just one time. Watching episode 1 and knowing that there is nothing left to follow it gets old after a while.
|
|
|
Post by John Andersen on Aug 14, 2008 5:48:23 GMT
I'm sure we all would have liked that to be true. "...Snowmen" may be the superior story of the two but "...Web..." is the one that had the most impact on it's audience and is, therefore, the one I'd most like to see returned (out of those two)...[/quote] Well, in terms of Doctor Who history, the episodes with Colonel Lethbridge Stewart's first story would be a significant find.
|
|
|
Post by Gids Llewellyn on Aug 14, 2008 19:01:25 GMT
Hello one and all, first post on this forum and I'm going to open myself for ridicule and derrision straight away. (Treat me gently please)! I may be showing my ignorance here, but if the African TV archives are in such disarray, then what about the newspaper archives? Surely African newspapers have a TV listings page? Wouldn't finding out when a show was aired, narrow down the hunt to the broadcasting station? I know it would rely on a viewer in Africa remembering when they saw it and doing some leg work, but it is an idea...
|
|
|
Post by Jon Preddle on Aug 14, 2008 20:55:53 GMT
Hello one and all, first post on this forum and I'm going to open myself for ridicule and derrision straight away. (Treat me gently please)! I may be showing my ignorance here, but if the African TV archives are in such disarray, then what about the newspaper archives? Surely African newspapers have a TV listings page? Wouldn't finding out when a show was aired, narrow down the hunt to the broadcasting station? I know it would rely on a viewer in Africa remembering when they saw it and doing some leg work, but it is an idea... But the main problem is getting access to foreign newspapers. But ask at your local library - you never know what they might have on microfilm. There are copies of the Rhodesan Herald held on microfilm at the Auckland University here in New Zealand. The TV listings insert magazine supplement however stops after mid 1965, and there is no internal TV listings, so I've only got air dates up to Marco Polo. A Wellington Uni has Singapore newspapers on film, which is where I got the Singapore airdates up to 1974. They are always held on microfilm, but would many African nations have done that? And with so many over the years suffering from coups and being taken over by dictators and the like, usually the first things to be closed down are the newspapers. Jon
|
|