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Post by peterconvery on Feb 25, 2021 18:27:02 GMT
From the Ice warriors onwards to season 15 (I think) they were recorded direct line
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Post by peterconvery on Feb 25, 2021 18:29:02 GMT
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Post by Sue Butcher on Feb 26, 2021 1:50:17 GMT
There is one very vague bit of video information that can get into the audio signal in countries that used the 625 line PAL mono system for broadcast, like Australia. It's called (I think) intermodulation buzz, and it's heard when there's a very bright area in the video signal.
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Post by PAUL WOOD on Feb 26, 2021 10:52:17 GMT
Ah, many thanks, I wasn't aware of this. Amazing that line recordings were being made by mutiple fans all those years ago. We're so lucky that these tapes of this quality still exist. I'm still a little puzzled about 'The Invasion' 1 & 4, however. The DVD release of this story used microphone audios recordings for these episodes , didn't it? I seem recall Mark Ayres saying that the versions he used were sourced from a cassette of an Australian recording. Were Richard's recordings not considered good enough for this release? |
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Post by peterconvery on Feb 26, 2021 13:30:02 GMT
Thats the thing with the line recordings, they didn't always provide the best results and sometimes the microphone recordings were clearer.
I would take that as a positive as it would mean some snap crackle and pop might be there in the direct lines...
When I get home I'll post an explanation of my ramblings/thinkings...and see if any of it makes sense!
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Post by PAUL WOOD on Feb 26, 2021 17:41:59 GMT
Thats the thing with the line recordings, they didn't always provide the best results and sometimes the microphone recordings were clearer. I would take that as a positive as it would mean some snap crackle and pop might be there in the direct lines... When I get home I'll post an explanation of my ramblings/thinkings...and see if any of it makes sense! From Part 2 of 'The Androids Of Tara' onwards I used the simple but highly effective technique of recording from the headphone socket of my b/w Phillips portable TV: 3.5 jack to 3.5 jack lead going from the headphone socket itself to the mic input on the tape machine. Once I had figured out the optimum volume level, I kept the the same setting for every recording. Cassette tape hiccups aside, the quality was wonderful, and served me well until I went over to VHS taping in 1980. No re-wiring of my telly was done as part of this method, so not sure if the tapes obtained this way qualify as 'line' recordings or not! |
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Post by richardwoods on Feb 26, 2021 19:13:13 GMT
Yes, indeed they do!
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Post by Ralph Rose on Feb 26, 2021 20:49:33 GMT
Very interesting topic, and theoretically possible, although very highly unlikely. Here are my reasonings...
I recorded my audio cassettes of Doctor Who, using off air radio. My Station was KVIE Six, in Sacramento, Ca. FM radio frequencies were in-between TV Channels Six and Seven, and there was an overlap where the audio carrier of Channel Six could be picked up with a FM Radio Tuner. Excellent recordings were made with that method.
I Recorded from "Keeper of Traken", all of Davison, all of Pertwee, with the last being "Pyramids of Mars". VHS recordings started with "The Android Invasion", although I lost that one due to the tape being accidentally recorded over. When the repeat of "Logopolis" happened, there was a Transmission fault that obliterated the audio for the first 30 minutes. So I was able to take the Audio Cassette recording and marry the audio to the VHS. That served me well until the next repeat of "Logopolis".
What I find interesting is, there was an overlap of Radio and TV frequencies, that made my off air recordings possible. So theoretically, there could be a small amount of information from the tv picture signal on my tapes I made when I was a kid.
Totally unusable I'm very sure of. But that was also what I said about "Chroma Dot recovery", and we all know the story of that.
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Post by peterconvery on Feb 26, 2021 22:54:20 GMT
Very interesting topic, and theoretically possible, although very highly unlikely. Here are my reasonings... I recorded my audio cassettes of Doctor Who, using off air radio. My Station was KVIE Six, in Sacramento, Ca. FM radio frequencies were in-between TV Channels Six and Seven, and there was an overlap where the audio carrier of Channel Six could be picked up with a FM Radio Tuner. Excellent recordings were made with that method. I Recorded from "Keeper of Traken", all of Davison, all of Pertwee, with the last being "Pyramids of Mars". VHS recordings started with "The Android Invasion", although I lost that one due to the tape being accidentally recorded over. When the repeat of "Logopolis" happened, there was a Transmission fault that obliterated the audio for the first 30 minutes. So I was able to take the Audio Cassette recording and marry the audio to the VHS. That served me well until the next repeat of "Logopolis". What I find interesting is, there was an overlap of Radio and TV frequencies, that made my off air recordings possible. So theoretically, there could be a small amount of information from the tv picture signal on my tapes I made when I was a kid. Totally unusable I'm very sure of. But that was also what I said about "Chroma Dot recovery", and we all know the story of that. If you still have the tapes, would you fancy experimenting with them. Type slow scan tv into Google and you'll find converters to download online. Be interesting if you can get something. |
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Post by PAUL WOOD on Feb 26, 2021 23:35:23 GMT
Wonderful! I feel like I'm part of some exclusive club! |
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Post by Robert Lia on Feb 27, 2021 2:04:16 GMT
I used to record shows like "The Starlost" and "Dr. Who" off line starting in 1974/75 and went on making recordings up until 1980. I was a dinosaur and stuck the casstte reorder next to the TV speaker and hoped no one would make noise when I was recording things
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Post by PAUL WOOD on Feb 27, 2021 11:38:07 GMT
I used to record shows like "The Starlost" and "Dr. Who" off line starting in 1974/75 and went on making recordings up until 1980. I was a dinosaur and stuck the casstte reorder next to the TV speaker and hoped no one would make noise when I was recording things Not at all! This was the method most of us used originally. My parents used to retire to the kitchen for 25mins every Saturday night in order for me to record Dr. Who. I seem to recall the odd clink of cutlery filtering through the wall and ending up on some of my tapes but other than that my folks kept pretty quiet just to please me. How I got away with this for years on end, I will never know! Switching over to line recordings was sheer luxury! |
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Post by odysseaschristou on Feb 27, 2021 15:23:43 GMT
I used to record shows like "The Starlost" and "Dr. Who" off line starting in 1974/75 and went on making recordings up until 1980. I was a dinosaur and stuck the casstte reorder next to the TV speaker and hoped no one would make noise when I was recording things This reminds me of when I was around eleven/twelve years old. I had a reel to reel tape recorder which I used to record songs (Radio One on a Sunday) off my portable radio. Could never manage to do it via any cables, so it was the microphone next to the speaker. Then there was the game of pausing the reel to reel so as not to get the DJ on the tapes. Next it was a music centre with record deck, radio and cassette. Still had to play the pause game but at least it was recording direct from the radio. |
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Post by richardwoods on Feb 27, 2021 16:40:15 GMT
I was always a bit of a geek so I wired in a din socket into the volume control of my 405 line Murphy TV, braving the live chassis! Got some good results too recording at 3 3/4ips on to a Grundig TK14 2 track reel to reel. Never taped Dr Who, as far as I know all I’ve got left is a recording of the soundtrack of one of the Pythons (nothing special, it’s already been checked) & the soundtrack of the film the Andromeda Strain.
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Post by PAUL WOOD on Feb 27, 2021 17:53:34 GMT
I was always a bit of a geek so I wired in a din socket into the volume control of my 405 line Murphy TV, braving the live chassis! Got some good results too recording at 3 3/4ips on to a Grundig TK14 2 track reel to reel. Never taped Dr Who, as far as I know all I’ve got left is a recording of the soundtrack of one of the Pythons (nothing special, it’s already been checked) & the soundtrack of the film the Andromeda Strain. My old Hitachi 21" CRT actually had a dedicated din recording socket mounted on the front of the set next to a jack headphone output. In the old days of audio taping this would have been a wonderful thing, but this set was circa 1982 - well into the VCR age. |
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