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Post by Jeff Stone on Aug 25, 2005 9:25:09 GMT
And as I say, 'I don't care what you think'. I will give it a go. I never said I'd succeed, I just say I'd TRY. Jeff
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Post by ianj on Aug 25, 2005 18:06:25 GMT
LOOK; The only way to find any missing Doctor Who IS TO LOOK. Try, ask.....................what have we to lose? They are only looking--not manhandling the cans, or dropping them etc. ............................if you dont ask, you dont get. BUT--ask properly, and go through the correct channels. You may find someone sympathetic, or someone might go looking on your behalf-especially as on-going work is done transferring old vts and film.....................................................ianj
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Post by Richard Bignell on Aug 25, 2005 21:20:20 GMT
They are only looking--not manhandling the cans, or dropping them etc. Then how would you expect them to watch each and every item, as Jeff suggests if they don't manhandle them? Bear in mind that 16mm film isn't stored on nice projector reels but as flat hubs with a plastic centre. The slightest mishandling of one of those, the centre falls out and the film turns into a jumble of useless spagetti. Richard
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Post by tom bosley on Aug 25, 2005 21:33:06 GMT
Hate to say it, but however well-meaning the intentions behind this are, I think I'd have to call this one "Operation 'BE REALISTIC'".
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Post by Steven Sigel on Aug 25, 2005 22:07:11 GMT
They are only looking--not manhandling the cans, or dropping them etc. Then how would you expect them to watch each and every item, as Jeff suggests if they don't manhandle them? Bear in mind that 16mm film isn't stored on nice projector reels but as flat hubs with a plastic centre. The slightest mishandling of one of those, the centre falls out and the film turns into a jumble of useless spagetti. Richard I've seen that happen... It's a disaster... I've had to respool prints a few times (prints shipped to me that came unspooled in transit) .. It's not pretty, and even if you get the film untangled - you're guarenteed that you've damaged it in the process... Just to give those of you who think it's easy an idea -- the prints would have to be pulled from the cans, put on a flatbed editor or onto a split reel and then have enough run (or unspooled) to figure out what it is. Some of them would be stored tails out, so they might need to be re-wound first (if they didn't have notations at the end detailing what they were), and then wound back when you were done. In the best of circumstances it would take you 5 minutes per film to check it (longer in the worst cases) . So lets assume 10,000 prints @ 5 minutes a print = 833 hours - even if they'd let you in there at all (which they wont)... The average person works 2000 hours a year, so this would be nearly 5 man months of work.... If they have 10 times that many prints, then we're taling about 50 man months, or over 4 man years....
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Post by Peterin on Aug 26, 2005 15:42:01 GMT
It seems to me that given the passage of time, "wild" ideas like this are the only way to go. All that likely would happen if no is a polite phone-call or email; no harm done! If nothing else, this sort of interest is most likely to keep the issue alive for broadcast officials. It does show the level of fan concern over the missing eps.
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Post by LanceM on Aug 26, 2005 17:04:52 GMT
What if the television archive offered a film handeling seminar? To instruct a specific number of people to have the supervised priveledge of inspecting television station archival material. That would'nt cost too much, and they would have people who wanted to be there in thier spare time, searching through thier archives for material ? Seems like a good idea! If there are any instances that I have overlooked, then I am sorry in advance for that oversight.
Thanks, Lance.
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Post by CASuk on Aug 26, 2005 17:15:45 GMT
Lance - Would you let a stranger off the street in to rummage in your tape and DVD collections ?
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Post by LanceM on Aug 26, 2005 17:21:35 GMT
Sure, if I was there supervising. Then I would have no problem with that.
Lance.
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Post by Steven Sigel on Aug 26, 2005 17:29:46 GMT
What if the television archive offered a film handeling seminar? To instruct a specific number of people to have the supervised priveledge of inspecting television station archival material. That would'nt cost too much, and they would have people who wanted to be there in thier spare time, searching through thier archives for material ? Seems like a good idea! If there are any instances that I have overlooked, then I am sorry in advance for that oversight. Thanks, Lance. But Lance -- why would they do that? What's in it for them? They would be spending money to train people to rummage through rare and fragile materials that they still might damage -- Not a chance of that happening...
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Post by Steven Sigel on Aug 26, 2005 17:30:54 GMT
Lance - Would you let a stranger off the street in to rummage in your tape and DVD collections ? Here's a better example -- would you let someone rummage through your collection of one-of-a-kind Ming Vases
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Post by CASuk on Aug 26, 2005 17:39:22 GMT
Exactly !
Having been responsible for my companys archive, there is NO WAY members of the public would ever be allowed in, or to know what is there; commercial confidentiality and all that.... TV company archives are no different.
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Post by Matthew Fenn on Aug 26, 2005 22:11:36 GMT
Nice to know people are still "trying" to think up ideas . One thing that would be great would be to invent a time machine, go back to the 60s and take a DVD Recorder with you! Still, Jeff - at least you're trying. The BBC could maybe send some of its own employees over, but even then I don't think that they would have the money. Any other suggestions though as maybe if the idea is built on a bit more, we could come up with a more realistic one.
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Post by Essex Bluenose on Aug 26, 2005 23:04:34 GMT
So why not ask, but in a constructive manner. This means taking account of ALL ideas (both positive and negative) and explaining how adverse ations may be mitigated (i.e. by using professionals where possible).
The worse that can happen is being ignored; the second worse (if TVNZ reply) is "NO".
Jeff; what harm in asking. You never know. htey may suggest a way forward.
If you pitch the question properly, then whatever happens, the response will not be "f*ck off"....
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Aug 26, 2005 23:29:23 GMT
Bear in mind that 16mm film isn't stored on nice projector reels but as flat hubs with a plastic centre. Maybe the COI was different, but in the 12 years I worked in the Film and VT department, a large pecentage of their films were kept on reels.
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