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Post by Jon Preddle on Jul 27, 2005 21:15:53 GMT
I once did a google.co.nz search on a number of missing Hartnell episode titles to see if I could find a private catalogue on line, but I gave up as there were thousands of pages to plough through... I should clarify - that's "thousands of pages" with similar words, phrases, etc. Nothing to do directly with my search for DW. Jon
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Post by Wright Blan on Jul 28, 2005 2:48:48 GMT
I'm always amazed about how that could happen. Wouldn't those with the bigger collections have come kind of catalogue system to keep track of their collection. It would seem like film collecting would need a lot of maintenance to preserve the collection, and that would require proper record keeping. Would that be anything pertinent to this board? Hardly -- Most film collectors have so much stuff that it's nearly impossible to keep track of it all... I constantly find stuff that I completly forgot about - or didn't even know I had (for instance something that came in a big collection I bought)...
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Post by Stephen Neve on Jul 28, 2005 15:13:14 GMT
The Lion was offered for sale on the net, i belive a year before its new zealeand discovery, no one spotted it and probally woulden't have belived it either. That's incorrect. Bruce Grenville, who owned The Lion at the time, had it listed on his web-page as one of the films he had in his collection. He only put it online 5 or so months before the recovery. He had no intention of selling it - at least not until fans told him of its uniqueness! Jon Preddle Actually I was going by memory what I had read on the RT forum after its recovery, unfortuanetly after 7 years its impossible to track back to find the info, I was nearly right though . Thanks for clearing that up Jon. Good luck. Regards
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Post by Stephen Neve on Jul 28, 2005 15:26:54 GMT
I was just wondering if other film collectors list thier collections online ?. Some do, yes. I've certainly seen lists online; never seen anything interesting, though. Certainly not a missing Underwater Menace... So have I ash, although majority of them aren't selling their material, can't see what the point is though unless your going to sell material, more likely to gloat at I have this and you haven't. I have not come across any Doctor Who though, not even existing ones, now that would be a gloat. Actually Doctor Who fans are the biggest gloats going, I have seen loads of who collections listed on the net. Regards
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Post by LanceM on Jul 28, 2005 20:19:29 GMT
Are there a large collection of film buffs in Australia who list thier collections at conventions? Or Online ? Could someone attend a convention and make an announcement, or ask collectors if they have any missing material. So Steven, the space pirates never showed up.
Thanks, Lance.
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Post by Steven Sigel on Jul 28, 2005 21:04:09 GMT
Some do, yes. I've certainly seen lists online; never seen anything interesting, though. Certainly not a missing Underwater Menace... So have I ash, although majority of them aren't selling their material, can't see what the point is though unless your going to sell material, more likely to gloat at I have this and you haven't. I have not come across any Doctor Who though, not even existing ones, now that would be a gloat. Actually Doctor Who fans are the biggest gloats going, I have seen loads of who collections listed on the net. Regards I think the reason you never see Dr. Who 16mm prints listed on the web is that there are very few of them around. Think about it - the only prints around have to come from the following sources (note - I'm talking about prints of EXISTING episodes, not prints of missing episodes) 1) Enterprises prints that didn't come back from syndication -- so we know that the most sold story had something like 17 countries - so at most there were 17 prints made (and in fact probably far less since they were probably bicycled around). And most of those prints probably got returned to the BBC and were destoryed. 2) Prints that dissapeared from the library or were taken home rather than being junked. There can't be many of these,... 3) Prints struck specially for people -- at least one person had a bunch of prints struck for him in the '80s. 4) Prints that were duped in the 80s -- there's about 6 or 7 titles that show up fairly often. (Off the top of my head the titles are : Invasion (6), Web of Fear (1), Chase (6), Wheel in Space (3), Evil of the Daleks (2), Dalek Invasion of Earth (5) (not sure about this one), and possibly one episode from Web Planet ... Other than that, I can't think of any possible sources for prints. So leaving aside those few prints that were copied, you've got at most a couple of copies of any given print in private hands . I only know of maybe 10 people who have prints at all. And I only know of 2 or 3 people who have more than 5, and only one person who has more than 10....
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Post by William Martin on Jul 30, 2005 13:26:43 GMT
Unfortunatly most of the older ones with the bigest collections don't, and they are probably the most likely to have something and the least likely to know that its valuable. I recently visited an elderly film collector who had a small but modest collection of documentary films. Some were ex-NZBC films still in their original NZBC cans. As he went through the pile he said things like "I forgot I had that..." so there are many collectors out there who have material they don't know they have. They don't have written catalogues, let alone ones online! I once did a google.co.nz search on a number of missing Hartnell episode titles to see if I could find a private catalogue on line, but I gave up as there were thousands of pages to plough through... Jon Preddle very typical, spare room stacked from floor to ceiling spread about on floor etc.
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Post by Roy Strang on Jul 31, 2005 22:47:32 GMT
I only know of maybe 10 people who have prints at all. And I only know of 2 or 3 people who have more than 5, and only one person who has more than 10.... What you said in your message is the sad fact of the matter. I myself only have two prints which I purchased almost two years ago and both of these are edited running to around 20 minutes.
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Post by Steven Sigel on Jul 31, 2005 23:09:10 GMT
I only know of maybe 10 people who have prints at all. And I only know of 2 or 3 people who have more than 5, and only one person who has more than 10.... What you said in your message is the sad fact of the matter. I myself only have two prints which I purchased almost two years ago and both of these are edited running to around 20 minutes. Hi Roy -- Which two episodes were you able to get? They must have come from some foreign country that chopped them either for content or for time (like Time Meddler Ep 1)....
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Post by William Martin on Aug 1, 2005 14:09:32 GMT
some recoveries are proceeded by rumours some arn't so the fact that things have gone quiet doesn't mean that there are no more to be found but I can't imagine there are many if any left by now but I'd like to be wrong.
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Post by Stephen Neve on Aug 6, 2005 21:58:33 GMT
So have I ash, although majority of them aren't selling their material, can't see what the point is though unless your going to sell material, more likely to gloat at I have this and you haven't. I have not come across any Doctor Who though, not even existing ones, now that would be a gloat. Actually Doctor Who fans are the biggest gloats going, I have seen loads of who collections listed on the net. Regards I think the reason you never see Dr. Who 16mm prints listed on the web is that there are very few of them around. Think about it - the only prints around have to come from the following sources (note - I'm talking about prints of EXISTING episodes, not prints of missing episodes) 1) Enterprises prints that didn't come back from syndication -- so we know that the most sold story had something like 17 countries - so at most there were 17 prints made (and in fact probably far less since they were probably bicycled around). And most of those prints probably got returned to the BBC and were destoryed. 2) Prints that dissapeared from the library or were taken home rather than being junked. There can't be many of these,... 3) Prints struck specially for people -- at least one person had a bunch of prints struck for him in the '80s. 4) Prints that were duped in the 80s -- there's about 6 or 7 titles that show up fairly often. (Off the top of my head the titles are : Invasion (6), Web of Fear (1), Chase (6), Wheel in Space (3), Evil of the Daleks (2), Dalek Invasion of Earth (5) (not sure about this one), and possibly one episode from Web Planet ... Other than that, I can't think of any possible sources for prints. So leaving aside those few prints that were copied, you've got at most a couple of copies of any given print in private hands . I only know of maybe 10 people who have prints at all. And I only know of 2 or 3 people who have more than 5, and only one person who has more than 10.... 2) Prints that dissapeared from the library or were taken home rather than being junked. There can't be many of these,...[/i
Why do you say that Steven!. We know tenth planet 4 and masterplan 4 were supposed to be in the libary but were not returned from blue peter, wheel 5, power 6, toymaker 2, crusade 1, ice warriors 3 Where also supposed to have been put in the film libary, but never made it for some reason, where did they go! so thats 7 episodes that are known to have dissapared from the libary, and these are the ones we know about, what about the ones we don't know about.
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Post by Fluff Not Alf on Aug 6, 2005 22:21:17 GMT
2) Prints that dissapeared from the library or were taken home rather than being junked. There can't be many of these,...[/i
Why do you say that Steven!. We know tenth planet 4 and masterplan 4 were supposed to be in the libary but were not returned from blue peter, wheel 5, power 6, toymaker 2, crusade 1, ice warriors 3 Where also supposed to have been put in the film libary, but never made it for some reason, where did they go! so thats 7 episodes that are known to have dissapared from the libary, and these are the ones we know about, what about the ones we don't know about. Do we know that? There's no evidence that "Tenth Planet" 4 wasn't returned. Masterplan 4 probably did go missing, but is as frankly as likely to have been junked as taken. And the other ones you mentioned were indeed in the film library, but were officially junked as being of no further value -not gone awol as you suggest. What evidence do you actually have otherwise?
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Post by Ash Stewart on Aug 6, 2005 22:24:19 GMT
[quote author=Stephen Neve board=who thread=1116610287 post=1123365513Why do you say that Steven!. We know tenth planet 4 and masterplan 4 were supposed to be in the libary but were not returned from blue peter, wheel 5, power 6, toymaker 2, crusade 1, ice warriors 3 Where also supposed to have been put in the film libary, but never made it for some reason, where did they go! so thats 7 episodes that are known to have dissapared from the libary, and these are the ones we know about, what about the ones we don't know about. [/quote]
Nah, just the one...
The Film Library never had Tenth Planet 4; they *only* ever had 1-3. Odd, yes. But true.
Wheel 5, power 6, toymaker 2, crusade 1, ice warriors 3 all made it to the library but were junked at some point prior to 1978.
So, just DMP4 went missing.
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Post by Steven Sigel on Aug 6, 2005 22:48:02 GMT
I think the reason you never see Dr. Who 16mm prints listed on the web is that there are very few of them around. Think about it - the only prints around have to come from the following sources (note - I'm talking about prints of EXISTING episodes, not prints of missing episodes) 1) Enterprises prints that didn't come back from syndication -- so we know that the most sold story had something like 17 countries - so at most there were 17 prints made (and in fact probably far less since they were probably bicycled around). And most of those prints probably got returned to the BBC and were destoryed. 2) Prints that dissapeared from the library or were taken home rather than being junked. There can't be many of these,... 3) Prints struck specially for people -- at least one person had a bunch of prints struck for him in the '80s. 4) Prints that were duped in the 80s -- there's about 6 or 7 titles that show up fairly often. (Off the top of my head the titles are : Invasion (6), Web of Fear (1), Chase (6), Wheel in Space (3), Evil of the Daleks (2), Dalek Invasion of Earth (5) (not sure about this one), and possibly one episode from Web Planet ... Other than that, I can't think of any possible sources for prints. So leaving aside those few prints that were copied, you've got at most a couple of copies of any given print in private hands . I only know of maybe 10 people who have prints at all. And I only know of 2 or 3 people who have more than 5, and only one person who has more than 10.... 2) Prints that dissapeared from the library or were taken home rather than being junked. There can't be many of these,...[/i
Why do you say that Steven!. We know tenth planet 4 and masterplan 4 were supposed to be in the libary but were not returned from blue peter, wheel 5, power 6, toymaker 2, crusade 1, ice warriors 3 Where also supposed to have been put in the film libary, but never made it for some reason, where did they go! so thats 7 episodes that are known to have dissapared from the libary, and these are the ones we know about, what about the ones we don't know about. Hello Stephen, I think that Ash answered your question about the missing episodes - the only one for which there is any evidence that it *might* have been taken out is "Masterplan 4" and what is more likely is that it was junked . I was actually talking about the fact that there are very few prints of ANY episodes around - forget about missing episodes. The evidence for this is very clear -- how often do you see episodes up for sale on ebay (or anywhere else)?? There might be a few more floating around, but the probability is very low.
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Post by fdsa on Aug 7, 2005 8:10:59 GMT
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