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Post by witold tietze on May 21, 2005 2:13:19 GMT
This year, 2005, we have the best and most consistent new series for nearly thirty years. totally irrelevant, that. but curious: the man can't stand the bulk of jnt's output, and yet he seems more than happy with rtd's burp'n'fart fixation... |
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Post by witold tietze on May 21, 2005 2:20:11 GMT
I think they are called for. Many people are getting fed up with do gooder mods deleting everything. Its got to the stage now where you daren't post anything in case the beady eyes of the mods delete it. I once had respect for the RT team. Not anymore!. Well, as Paul Vanezis is also a mod here, lets hope he decides to erase all your posts as well. Richard what's paul got to do with anything? (paul specifically, i mean.) |
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Post by witold tietze on May 21, 2005 2:28:10 GMT
Nope - had a quick look through the archives and I can't see anywhere this has happened. A little short with certain of the less thoughtful members of this community, but nothing compared to the strip Louis Barfe tore off a poster a while back  i once received a reply from richard to the effect of "ha ha ha you're wrong" (all in caps, iirc), for no reason i could ascertain (yes, i probably had made some tiny factual error at the time) but as he's never been so curiously immature at other times, i can only assume it was somebody else using his name. he did, however, once claim that my use of all lower case online makes me appear iliterate (despite the sophisticated sentence construction i can display in every other respect, and despite the clarity of what i am writing), so perhaps it wasn't all that uncharacteristic after all... anyway, who knows. point being, it seems he has been needlessly negative at times -- but then who hasn't? i've dealt with much, much worse! |
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Post by witold tietze on May 21, 2005 2:32:13 GMT
I imagine Richard Bignell gets tired of saying the same things over and over and over again, constantly correcting the same mistakes because people can't be bothered to check for themselves. If I were him, I would get tired of it. well, he could always just give up and live the quiet life. that's what i've done, having existed in too many idiotic online fan communities with too many idiot fans: once i realise that trying (and failing) to convince people to think straight a good fifty-eight times means it ain't gonna work the fifty-ninth, i just find somewhere else on the net where we'll never bump into each other again. well, until they turn up and start bad-mouthing you for having left them alone for so many months, but thankfully that's a rare thing! |
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Post by Dalek Fan on May 23, 2005 7:48:41 GMT
Hi All True Dr Who Fans
I like many others would like to thank Ian Levine for letting us all know about the RT forum thread which was deleted.
I think Ian's devotion to the Dr Who Missing Episodes, searches and forum is outstanding, he is one of the few I would listen to and believe.
I also think Ian's idea of setting up a group to search for these missing episodes is a great idea.
The reason is that the fans want to be a part of the search and will also be kept up-to-date with the search as it will be fan based.
The other searches which have taken place, have been always in the BBC's shadows and the glory boys which are on the RT forum and work closely with the BBC, i believe there judgement is clouded and they want to find the missing episodes, but only for their glory.
I think now is the time for the Dr Who fans to stand up and say it is our turn. Not the BBC as they like to destroy them as so many are still missing.
I dont usually post but I feel very strongly about this and lets all rally behind Ian Levine and lets get started.
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Post by Rob Bruce on May 23, 2005 16:09:00 GMT
The other searches which have taken place, have been always in the BBC's shadows and the glory boys which are on the RT forum and work closely with the BBC, i believe there judgement is clouded and they want to find the missing episodes, but only for their glory. Can you provide one single instance to back up such nonsense?  As far as I'm aware, each and everytime new material has been found by members of Restoration Team, they have not only informed everyone about it, but they've also attempted to get it out into the public domain as soon as possible. Rob |
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Post by Stephen Neve on May 23, 2005 18:39:54 GMT
The other searches which have taken place, have been always in the BBC's shadows and the glory boys which are on the RT forum and work closely with the BBC, i believe there judgement is clouded and they want to find the missing episodes, but only for their glory. Can you provide one single instance to back up such nonsense? As far as I'm aware, each and everytime new material has been found by members of Restoration Team, they have not only informed everyone about it, but they've also attempted to get it out into the public domain as soon as possible. Rob Having been looking for lost material for many years now Rob, I have found that many different people associated with the BBC have been quite a hinder in that search. I always get the impression that only they have the right to look for missing material, and anyone not associated with the BBC is wasting their time and is some silly fanboy anorak with nothing better to do. Time and time again I have seen people slapped down by the ego fuelled experts everytime a positive suggestion is put forward. In the end it basically comes down to " we are the experts and are always right and anyone else can get lost". I hope Bill or Ian do find something from the TV stations, I just want to see the smug grins wiped off the RT and there chum Mr Bignells faces as they are proved wrong. Regards |
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Post by Richard Bignell on May 23, 2005 20:06:46 GMT
I hope Bill or Ian do find something from the TV stations, I just want to see the smug grins wiped off the RT and there chum Mr Bignells faces as they are proved wrong. It really doesn't take you long does it, Steve? Still, your track record speaks for itself so we can't expect much else, can we? Personally, I can't think of one single occasion when I, or indeed anyone else has said that there aren't any more episodes to be found in overseas archives. Nowhere except in your own imagination of course... Oh, give us all a laugh and actually provide some proof of this, you silly boy. ;D The point is, nearly every suggestion made on this or any other forum basically boils down into one of two camps - the bleedin' obvious and the impossible. The former (such as contacting overseas archives) have been already been followed up (usually a number of times from a number of different angles) whilst the latter ("let us all go and dig up landfill sites...") are pointless and are no more than fan pipe-dreams. Work has already gone into ploughing through BBC paperwork, tracing countries and stations that actually purchased Doctor Who in the 1960's and 70's and then contacting the said locations. And this is something that has been done on more than one occasion over the last few years. Now, if those countries/stations don't come up with anything when officially asked by the Corporation who at least have a valid reason for asking after their own property (as Ian did with Snowy and Roger all those years ago), then the chances of those same archives now actively searching for material on the request of a private individual are minute. Not impossible, but minute. Of course, as Bill Spiby has himself confirmed, I've actually been helping him in a number of areas with his project, providing him with details of stations that obtained film prints, various ways to find the information he need to contact others and so on, so if anything is found, I'll be as happy as anyone. But of course, little details like that wouldn't be of any interest to you, would they, Steve? Richard |
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Post by Robbie Moubert on May 23, 2005 22:16:18 GMT
Having been looking for lost material for many years now Rob, I have found that many different people associated with the BBC have been quite a hinder in that search. I always get the impression that only they have the right to look for missing material, and anyone not associated with the BBC is wasting their time and is some silly fanboy anorak with nothing better to do. Time and time again I have seen people slapped down by the ego fuelled experts everytime a positive suggestion is put forward. In the end it basically comes down to " we are the experts and are always right and anyone else can get lost". I hope Bill or Ian do find something from the TV stations, I just want to see the smug grins wiped off the RT and there chum Mr Bignells faces as they are proved wrong. Regards You still haven't told us, despite being asked several times, exactly how you go about searching for lost episodes, apart from hanging around this forum that is. If you or anyone else has been "slapped down" when you've approached the RT, then it suggests to me that you don't really know what you're doing. Pestering them with a bunch of half-baked ideas doesn't make you an episode-hunter. |
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Post by Stephen Neve on May 24, 2005 19:19:22 GMT
Having been looking for lost material for many years now Rob, I have found that many different people associated with the BBC have been quite a hinder in that search. I always get the impression that only they have the right to look for missing material, and anyone not associated with the BBC is wasting their time and is some silly fanboy anorak with nothing better to do. Time and time again I have seen people slapped down by the ego fuelled experts everytime a positive suggestion is put forward. In the end it basically comes down to " we are the experts and are always right and anyone else can get lost". I hope Bill or Ian do find something from the TV stations, I just want to see the smug grins wiped off the RT and there chum Mr Bignells faces as they are proved wrong. Regards You still haven't told us, despite being asked several times, exactly how you go about searching for lost episodes, apart from hanging around this forum that is. If you or anyone else has been "slapped down" when you've approached the RT, then it suggests to me that you don't really know what you're doing. Pestering them with a bunch of half-baked ideas doesn't make you an episode-hunter. Robbie, WHO has asked me and when?. I have contacted collectors, put an ad in my local paper, put ads on the net, investigated different rumours and leads and general do anything I can with the resources available to me, If that is not good enough for you then too bad. I don't have to do this, Its something I want to do. How should I go about it then Robbie, can you do any better. |
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Post by Stephen Neve on May 24, 2005 20:53:53 GMT
It really doesn't take you long does it, Steve? Still, your track record speaks for itself so we can't expect much else, can we? Personally, I can't think of one single occasion when I, or indeed anyone else has said that there aren't any more episodes to be found in overseas archives. Nowhere except in your own imagination of course... Oh, give us all a laugh and actually provide some proof of this, you silly boy. ;D The point is, nearly every suggestion made on this or any other forum basically boils down into one of two camps - the bleedin' obvious and the impossible. The former (such as contacting overseas archives) have been already been followed up (usually a number of times from a number of different angles) whilst the latter ("let us all go and dig up landfill sites...") are pointless and are no more than fan pipe-dreams. Work has already gone into ploughing through BBC paperwork, tracing countries and stations that actually purchased Doctor Who in the 1960's and 70's and then contacting the said locations. And this is something that has been done on more than one occasion over the last few years. Now, if those countries/stations don't come up with anything when officially asked by the Corporation who at least have a valid reason for asking after their own property (as Ian did with Snowy and Roger all those years ago), then the chances of those same archives now actively searching for material on the request of a private individual are minute. Not impossible, but minute. Of course, as Bill Spiby has himself confirmed, I've actually been helping him in a number of areas with his project, providing him with details of stations that obtained film prints, various ways to find the information he needs to contact others and so on, so if anything is found, I'll be as happy as anyone. But of course, little details like that wouldn't be of any interest to you, would they, Steve? Richard Firstly Excuse me Mr Bignell! I will not TOLEARATE any more personal attacks from you. Since my first post you have indulgently been hostile towards me from day 1. okay my knowledge of information my be not as accurate as your, but why should I listen to some arrogant man who delights in correcting every error in an authoritive and sometimes rude manner, making you feel small just beacuse you made an error. My first posting was about Neil Lambess having seen the Macra Terror and Jon Preddle knowledge of it being destroyed, and then I offered the opion that maybe the paperwork was not totally accurate beacuse of what Neil had claimed to seen, a valid point, and instead of discussing it like reasonale adults you jump on me from a great hight in a very authoritive manner making me feel as though I had committed a serious offense, and as I tried to offer an alternative view, the more hostile you became, and hey there were a few errors, but so what, I'm not perfect I do make errors. And then from then on nearly every post you have nit pickked and pointed out, this is not accurate and this is not correct etc like some teacher correcting errors on a pupils essay. What ever your problem is, deal with it. I shall be viewing this forum to find a complaint procedure and then contacting Mark Brown to complain about your attitude towards me. My girlfriend has seen many of your abusive postings about me, as she is quite often here when I visit this forum, and has been upset by what she has read, and is not happy about me visiting this forum beacuse of the constant hostilaty towards me. Good job she dose not finish work until 10pm today and has not seen your rude posting about me Richard. Your not only pissing me off, but people close to me as is not acceptable. Secondly Steve Roberts stated in an issue of Doctor whoi magazine last year in an interview about the lost in time set that the days of whole stories being recovered are long gone, a few odd episodes may come back to the archives from private hands, not the exact wording as I don't have the issue with me as I type this but that was what was basically said. Okay he dosen't actually state about TV stations but when I first read the article that was the impression I got.  |
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Post by Richard Bignell on May 24, 2005 22:30:35 GMT
Excuse me Mr Bignell! I will not TOLEARATE any more personal attacks from you. What "personal attacks" would they be then? Or is picking you up on your rudeness and blatant inaccuracies a "personal attack"? Well, the thread is still there in all its glory - Does "The Macra Terror" Exist in New Zealand?, currently on page 3 of this very forum. I suggest that you might want to go back and reread the thread Steven, because I certainly can't see any point where I jump on you "from a great hight." Indeed, I have asked you several times in the past to point out to me examples of this, but you've singularly failed to do so. And as people will see if they read that particular thread, the first insults were actually thrown by you. What the thread does show is that you like to make very broad assumptions about things, treat them as fact and then proceed to get very uppity when someone challenges your personal view of how things are. You're happy to boast about the fact that you're a missing episodes "investigator" who "as such takes every bit of evidence and examines it thoroughly" and yet at the same time, you don't know the basic difference between a positive and a negative film print, so pardon me if I choose to take a lot of your views with a large pinch of salt. All I've been endeavouring to do Steven, is to provide you with a bit of enlightenment about matters that you clearly don't seem to be very up on. There's nothing wrong in that. Not everyone has the same access to various strands of information, so we all learn from each other. That's one of the great things about such forums, the sharing of opinions and information. But you don't seem to want to the entertain the notion that you might be wrong on *anything*. Now if you want to treat your own assumptions as fact then that's fine, but as you're putting them forth on a public forum, it's certainly worthwhile pointing out to the other users that what you say is not always 100% accurate. Please feel free. Mark can read the conversations for himself (and no doubt has done so already) and he can see for himself the way you react. I certainly have nothing to hide! But then you can't possibly want Mark to do anything. Surely he'd then be one of those "do-gooder mods" that you so evidently hate stepping in anytime anyone has an opinion? You mean the comment in DWM #349 - "And finally...how frustrating would it be if, say, Episode 3 of The Savages was to turn up next Tuesday? "I think I would be too busy being happy to worry about that!" grins Steve Roberts. "It would be a shame in a way, but the reality is, if we thought that way, a release like this would never happen. At some point you've got to bite the bullet and just do it - so we did! We may see a handful of episodes come back - and no, I have no leads on any. before you ask - and maybe some more clips, but I think the days of whole stories coming back are long gone..."It may be the assumption *you* made, but it's not what Steve said. "We may see a handful of episodes come back...and maybe some more clips" is rather different to saying that nothing is ever going to come back which is what you implied when you childishly stated just four posts above, "I just want to see the smug grins wiped off the RT and there chum Mr Bignells faces as they are proved wrong." It speaks for itself really. Richard |
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Post by Jon Preddle on May 25, 2005 0:33:09 GMT
Hear hear!
Jon
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Post by Steve Boyce on May 25, 2005 11:24:36 GMT
Excuse me Mr Bignell! I will not TOLEARATE any more personal attacks from you. What "personal attacks" would they be then? Or is picking you up on your rudeness and blatant inaccuracies a "personal attack"? <snip> It speaks for itself really. Richard Richard, probably a stupid question, why do you bother replying to stuff like this, which doesnt merit any attention. |
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Post by Stephen Neve on May 25, 2005 14:34:24 GMT
Richard you have posted
It really doesn't take you long does it, Steve?
Still, your track record speaks for itself so we can't expect much else, can we?
Oh, give us all a laugh and actually provide some proof of this, you silly boy.
But never mind, I'll happily go on as I've done for many years bothering to search out the facts and finding new material, whilst you carry on in your own personal dreamworld. You seem happy enough there.
If they are not insults then what would you call them
Well, the thread is still there in all its glory - Does "The Macra Terror" Exist in New Zealand?, currently on page 3 of this very forum. I suggest that you might want to go back and reread the thread Steven, because I certainly can't see any point where I jump on you "from a great hight." Indeed, I have asked you several times in the past to point out to me examples of this, but you've singularly failed to do so. And as people will see if they read that particular thread, the first insults were actually thrown by you.
What the thread does show is that you like to make very broad assumptions about things, treat them as fact and then proceed to get very uppity when someone challenges your personal view of how things are. You're happy to boast about the fact that you're a missing episodes "investigator" who "as such takes every bit of evidence and examines it thoroughly" and yet at the same time, you don't know the basic difference between a positive and a negative film print, so pardon me if I choose to take a lot of your views with a large pinch of salt.
All I've been endeavouring to do Steven, is to provide you with a bit of enlightenment about matters that you clearly don't seem to be very up on. There's nothing wrong in that. Not everyone has the same access to various strands of information, so we all learn from each other. That's one of the great things about such forums, the sharing of opinions and information. But you don't seem to want to the entertain the notion that you might be wrong on *anything*. Now if you want to treat your own assumptions as fact then that's fine, but as you're putting them forth on a public forum, it's certainly worthwhile pointing out to the other users that what you say is not always 100% accurate.
Not the case Richard, I don't have a problem with the notion that I might have got anything wrong, what I have a problem is the way you point these things out, in a very authoritive and sarcastic manner. Also the way you seem to police this forum correcting every mistake by posters, where I no doubt your correct with the information, its not acceptable to make people seem stupid just beacuse they totally get something wrong: for example
Not totally convinced that Macra Terror is not in New Zealand beacuse of paperwork saying it had been destroyed.
Your reply
If you refuse to believe such paperwork, then you're likely to spend your life chasing shadows.
A stupid reply to the question, when you could have asked,
why is that Steve, the paperwork clearly states it was destroyed , which is a much better reply than your above reply which really dosen't answer the question and comes across more as a statement than an answer. Your postings are littered like this, I accept that yes I did hurl insults, but only because I was getting increasingly frustrated with the way you constatly corrected any mistakes that was there. Another example, Snowmen 2, Faceless ones 3, Evil 2, Masterplan 2 etc have all probally have been listed by the BBC as destroyed, yet they have all turned up in private hands.
You replied; Your "probably" there says it all. You're keen to make assumptions about what may or may not appear on paperwork that you've never seen and yet you're not willing to accept that NZ's copies of The Macra Terror have been destroyed by people who has done the research and who have uncovered very solid details relating to episodes that were in the hands of the NZBC.
BBC Enterprises records no doubt would reveal that their telerecording negatives of various episodes were destroyed, but the copies that have been recovered have been positive film prints, of which several would have been made over time. Destroyed negatives have never been recovered.
Enthusiasm is great, but refusing to accept good evidence when it's presented and choosing to continually accept wildly hypothetical if, buts and maybes really won't help to recover anything!
My question was simply stating that certain episodes listed as destroyed, by what ever means, had turned up in private hands, a perfectly reasonable post, but instead of saying thats not totally accurate steve you start rambling on about assumptions and you haven't seen the paperwork etc in a very authoritive cross manner. If you feel anybody has posted anything that is not totallaty accurate and you need to correct it, please do not do it in a misleading and authoritive way.
Weather you do it it intentionally or not, you come across as a pompous know all when you post, and if you thought about the way you put and worded things in a better manner, then maybe I will listen to your advice, but all I see at the moment is a poumpous know all who takes delight in pointing mistakes out to people in a authoritive and sometimes arrogant sacrcastic manner, and I think why should I listen to someone like this, even though he is right, and makes you feel guilty and small for making such an error.
Please feel free. Mark can read the conversations for himself (and no doubt has done so already) and he can see for himself the way you react. I certainly have nothing to hide! But then you can't possibly want Mark to do anything. Surely he'd then be one of those "do-gooder mods" that you so evidently hate stepping in anytime anyone has an opinion?
I certainly shall, and I have never stated Mark was a do gooder modder as I recall, I have only ever said that about the RT team about the way the delete perfectly good posts that don't breach, there posting guidelines. So your not rude and sarcastic then Richard, that certainly was.
Anyway who needs moderators on these forums where you seem to be quite content in moderating them yourself.
You mean the comment in DWM #349 - "And finally...how frustrating would it be if, say, Episode 3 of The Savages was to turn up next Tuesday? "I think I would be too busy being happy to worry about that!" grins Steve Roberts. "It would be a shame in a way, but the reality is, if we thought that way, a release like this would never happen. At some point you've got to bite the bullet and just do it - so we did! We may see a handful of episodes come back - and no, I have no leads on any. before you ask - and maybe some more clips, You mean the comment in DWM #349 - "And finally...how frustrating would it be if, say, Episode 3 of The Savages was to turn up next Tuesday? "I think I would be too busy being happy to worry about that!" grins Steve Roberts. "It would be a shame in a way, but the reality is, if we thought that way, a release like this would never happen. At some point you've got to bite the bullet and just do it - so we did! We may see a handful of episodes come back - and no, I have no leads on any. before you ask - and maybe some more clips, but I think the days of whole stories coming back are long gone..."
If you actually read the bit but I think the days of whole stories coming back are long gone..." Steve is saying this is what he personally thinks, and he may or not be refering to tv stations, but from the wording that was it sounds like, weather it was intened or not
It may be the assumption *you* made, but it's not what Steve said. "We may see a handful of episodes come back...and maybe some more clips" is rather different to saying that nothing is ever going to come back which is what you implied when you childishly stated just four posts above, "I just want to see the smug grins wiped off the RT and there chum Mr Bignells faces as they are proved wrong."
It speaks for itself really.
Where have I stated that Steve said nothing more is ever going to come back, present your evedience. Now you are jumping to wild assumptions. The actual meaning of my post "I just want to see the smug grins wiped off the RT and there chum Mr Bignells faces as they are proved wrong." means I want to see one of the ideas they often slap down bear fruit, making them look stupid for slating the idea in the first place. Totally different to the claims your making, I should know what it meant, I posted it.
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