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Post by LanceM on Apr 19, 2005 0:06:09 GMT
Recently I have posted an online wanted add on the website ioffer.com part of the eWanted.com website, stating that I am looking for old 16mm or other size of film episodes of Doctor Who. I listed the titles of every missing episode. About a week after I posted the add I recived an e-mail saying that an item had been found matching my description. I followed the link listed and was shown a listing for Doctor Who: The Knight of Jaffa 16mm for sale, he also listed several existing episodes that he was going to list at a later date. I immediately contacted Steve Roberts at the Restoration Team, and shortly after a response was directed at the seller by Paul Vanzies asking for him to loan the BBC his copy of the episode. The seller never replied to the offer for the loan of the episode. Another member of the site tried to make an offer, still no response. Finally after a month the listing expired. Also the seller who listed the episode had only been a member of the site for two days before making the listing, an ominous shadow of a hoaxer became more and more prominent. here is the link to the expired site if anyone wishes to see the posting: www.ioffer.com/viewItem.do?itemID=6231306Yet another hoaxer out for eager fans money, so it seems to the Restoration Team. Oh well, I will keep looking. Lance.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Apr 19, 2005 0:32:17 GMT
"...William Hartnull..."
For someone that's allegedly got a few episodes, this should've been spelt right. This is usually the first sign of a hoaxer. Why do they think mispelling things will make their posts seem more 'authentic?'.
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Post by Ben on Apr 19, 2005 0:36:36 GMT
Other than the lack of replies, do you have any solid evidence to discount this advert? Usually I would say "This reeks of being a hoax!" as soon as look at it, but The Crusade is my all-time favourite story, so I would so desperately love this to be genuine. (Mind you, I would have preferred The Warlords.)
Is this advert common knowledge? This is the first I've heard of it. I always seem to be the last to hear about everything these days. Hmm. Perhaps the person who placed the ad got bombared with e-mails from fans telling them that they had a missing episode and demanding that they return it immeditely. I hope not. I always worry that will happen!
Please keep us (me) informed if there are any developments.
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Post by Ben on Apr 19, 2005 0:38:04 GMT
"...William Hartnull..." For someone that's allegedly got a few episodes, this should've been spelt right. This is usually the first sign of a hoaxer. Why do they think mispelling things will make their posts seem more 'authentic?'. You could be right, but how many fans can spell Christopher Eccelston? ;D (I only just realised it was "el" not "le"!)
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Post by Ben on Apr 19, 2005 0:59:45 GMT
Just had a thought - is this perhaps connected to the Marco Polo ad somehow? i.e. same person making the ad or similar dates?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Apr 19, 2005 8:37:17 GMT
Just had a thought - is this perhaps connected to the Marco Polo ad somehow? i.e. same person making the ad or similar dates? No, it isn't connected. They're located in entirely different places. It's 99.99% sure that this is a hoax - and there's a pretty good idea as to who the perpetrator might be. Richard
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Post by Peter Moore on Apr 19, 2005 9:19:23 GMT
Just to let you all know. I was the other bidder in this matter and have just received this reply from the seller
Greetings Peter. It is with some regret that I write to you to inform you that a couple of days after I listed Doctor Who: The Knight of Jaffa 16mm film for sale I made a private sale of the film alongside three other Doctor Who films I mentioned in the advert. I am new to Ioffer and still getting used to the system. Please accept my sincerest of apologies for wasting your time but you may be interested to know that I will be listing my remaining Doctor Who films at a later date. I hope you can make me an offer on them. Yours sincerely, G Oliver
This seller has also just listed "the Day of Darkness" (Aztecs 4) for sale on the same site.
Personally I believe him (call me gullable if you wish), and am going to see if I can get any more information from him about his buyer.
I'll let you know if anything comes up.
Peter
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Post by Richard Bignell on Apr 19, 2005 9:26:29 GMT
Just to let you all know. I was the other bidder in this matter and have just received this reply from the seller. ...Yours sincerely, G OliverWhich interestingly is a completely different name to the one given to another person who contacted the "seller". Fake names and the location of this individual - this all reeks of a hoax. Richard
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Post by Ben on Apr 19, 2005 15:01:01 GMT
Is he a well-known hoaxer then? I did a Google search, but couldn't find anything other than this ad and Lance's ad. Shame! There are way too many Doctor Who hoaxes around at the moment. Seems like the new series is bringing them out from under their rocks. Lets hope it brings out some geniune owners of missing episodes too, particularly someone with The Feast of Steven (no, I won't let it go!).
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Post by Nigel Bland on Apr 20, 2005 10:33:35 GMT
Just to let you all know. I was the other bidder in this matter and have just received this reply from the seller Greetings Peter. It is with some regret that I write to you to inform you that a couple of days after I listed Doctor Who: The Knight of Jaffa 16mm film for sale I made a private sale of the film alongside three other Doctor Who films I mentioned in the advert. I am new to Ioffer and still getting used to the system. Please accept my sincerest of apologies for wasting your time but you may be interested to know that I will be listing my remaining Doctor Who films at a later date. I hope you can make me an offer on them. Yours sincerely, G OliverPeter Hmm, no proof whatsoever - the classic sign of a hoax. Though I expect everyone will still believe it.
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Post by Paul Hayes on Apr 20, 2005 15:19:15 GMT
You could be right, but how many fans can spell Christopher Eccelston? ;D (I only just realised it was "el" not "le"!) No, you were right the first time actually.
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Post by William Martin on Apr 21, 2005 14:11:32 GMT
What do the hoaxers get out of this is there any material gain or is it just the smug satisfaction of seeing all the excitement they cause?.
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Post by B Thomas on Apr 21, 2005 16:24:23 GMT
Hmmm... why do hackers and crashers operate? Why do some nasty little people write destructive viruses (or should that be virii? ;D)
Because THEY CAN - and it gives them a little sense of power to spice up their otherwise sad, pointless and impotent existences...
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Post by William Martin on Apr 25, 2005 15:10:33 GMT
how should we deal with this? hypnotic erasure, anti-hoaxes, hired assassins?
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Post by Frederick Thompson on Apr 25, 2005 17:15:04 GMT
Never get angry with them in case you give them what a sociologist and others of that ilk call reinforcement. If they get that sort of response it acts as a reward.
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