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Post by Stephen Neve on Apr 30, 2005 12:41:11 GMT
I would say it would be extremely unlikely that anyone would make a 35mm blow up from a 16mm source like that. Why bother? The picture quality wouldn't be much better than a 16mm print (since the source was 16mm) and the cost would be a lot higher than 16mm (at least back then)... I think it's a hoax - plain and simple... Most probally is. All I was saying was that dozens of pirated copies were bung out from the archive to collectors in the 1980's, and it could have been one of them.
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Post by Stephen Neve on Apr 30, 2005 12:44:25 GMT
Yeah, ben is probably right that mis-spelling and no more wheel in space episodes Just tells the experts and fans that there is another hoaxer to steer clear of. But anyway I tried, and was extremely hopefull for a while. There is one aspect which does not add up to the hoax, this seller also sold an episode of the Aztecs to a member of ioffer who also lives in the uk. And he posted feedback for the seller ssying that the film print he "RECIVED" was in exellent condition. If he recived the episode he paid for, then it is possible to assume that the guy who purchased the supposed missing episode could of recived the episode, and is just afraid to post comments. We could of shot ourselvs in the foot, letting an missing episode just float away is more embarassing than finding another hoax. I guess there is now a slim chance of this not being a hoax after all. Just something to think about. Other fans here might think about searching up international internet classifieds and posting sililar adds for missing episodes as I did, this may be a hoax, but someone alse might get lucky. The more of us there are posting internet adds for missing episodes and contacting foreign film collectors or television archives, the greater the chance is that we may actually find some missing material. Any thoughts or information would be great. Thanks,Lance. It might be worth keeping an eye out on film collectors forums to see whats for sale Lance. The Lion was posted for sale on the net a year before its discovery, nobody spotted it.
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Post by LanceM on May 7, 2005 18:27:28 GMT
Thanks, Steven I will keep my eyes peeled. And on another note, do you believe that the Anomyous chap has really seen a missing story of the Moonbase?
Thanks,Lance.
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Post by ethantyler on May 7, 2005 23:05:55 GMT
Thanks, Steven I will keep my eyes peeled. And on another note, do you believe that the Anomyous chap has really seen a missing story of the Moonbase? Thanks,Lance. Lance, did you actually read that thread all the way through? I've just come online for the first time since it was posted and had a read-through and no where does the original poster claim to have ever seen The Moonbase: Episode Three. In fact, you were the first person to mention that episode. The original poster has made it clear that they have no idea which episode they saw which is the entire basis of the thread. This is how rumours get started!
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Post by Stephen Neve on May 10, 2005 18:04:18 GMT
Thanks, Steven I will keep my eyes peeled. And on another note, do you believe that the Anomyous chap has really seen a missing story of the Moonbase? Thanks,Lance. I always keep an open mind Lance, anonymous sound ok and if there is a missing episode there, I am sure he will contact the right people, certainly a moonbase episode from the description, question is, which one. On the other hand what country is he from, if its from the US then its highly unlikely his father has any missing material, if he's from Canda, Australia or New Zealand then that is very interesting.
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Post by LanceM on May 14, 2005 20:44:39 GMT
Hey, Did anyone hear back from that guy who was going to contact the person who supposedly won the bidding for Doctor Who: The Knight of Jaffa ? Did he actually recieve the episode? If so will he be loaning it to the BBC ?
If anyone has any info or input please post a response.
Thanks,Lance.
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Post by Bobby D on May 14, 2005 20:59:38 GMT
if you look through the guest books then you can follow the progress of the negociations. looks like the 35mm wheel 3 wasn't actually wheel 3 after all.
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Post by Peter Moore on May 15, 2005 10:55:03 GMT
Yes I am still looking into this. As you will all note from the guestbook entries i am still waiting to hear back from the person who bought them.
Rest assured if it turns out to be real i will let you all know and dash them round to the BBC as soon as possible. ;D
Peter
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Post by LanceM on May 16, 2005 3:17:43 GMT
Exellent,
I hope that if the guy has the episode he will loan it to the BBC? Best of Luck.
Thanks,Lance.
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Post by ethantyler on May 16, 2005 13:56:31 GMT
Regarding the "Wheel" episode, didn't Richard Bignell say somewhere in this forum that Episode 5 had definitely been junked? Was Episode 6 ever transferred onto 35mm film?
Edit: Is there a list online of all of the episodes that were transferred onto 35mm film?
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Post by andrew martin on May 16, 2005 18:22:12 GMT
No episodes of Dr Who were transferred to 35mm film, (except the original "Planet of Giants" episodes 3 and 4 so they could be re-edited into one episode) but a number were originally telerecorded on 35mm film: these included episodes 5 and 6 of "Wheel in Space". There is a junking slip in the BBC archive for episode 5, showing it was cleared for junking by drama serials in July 1969, and by the film library in March 1970.
The other episodes made as 35mm telerecordings were "The Daleks" ep.4, "The Dalek Invasion of Earth" ep.5, "The Power of the Daleks" ep.6, "The Dominators" ep.3, "The Mind Robber" ep.5, "The Krotons" ep.1, "The Seeds of Death" ep.5 and "The Space Pirates" ep.2.
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Post by ethantyler on May 16, 2005 18:30:04 GMT
No episodes of Dr Who were transferred to 35mm film, (except the original "Planet of Giants" episodes 3 and 4 so they could be re-edited into one episode) but a number were originally telerecorded on 35mm film: these included episodes 5 and 6 of "Wheel in Space". There is a junking slip in the BBC archive for episode 5, showing it was cleared for junking by drama serials in July 1969, and by the film library in March 1970. The other episodes made as 35mm telerecordings were "The Daleks" ep.4, "The Dalek Invasion of Earth" ep.5, "The Power of the Daleks" ep.6, "The Dominators" ep.3, "The Mind Robber" ep.5, "The Krotons" ep.1, "The Seeds of Death" ep.5 and "The Space Pirates" ep.2. Thanks for the information. Why was The Wheel in Space 5 junked in 1970, before the infamous junking era (1972 to 1978)? Is a junking slip for a particular episode almost certainly a death certificate (i.e. was the junking witnessed and then the slip signed) or could the episodes that have been signed as junked actually been stolen (which would be, in my opinion, the perfect cover). Just curious.
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Post by Richard Bignell on May 24, 2005 12:27:06 GMT
Why was The Wheel in Space 5 junked in 1970, before the infamous junking era (1972 to 1978)? It's because the "infamous junking era" actually relates to what was happening with the 16mm prints and negatives held by BBC Enterprises. As The Wheel in Space#5 was a 35mm print, it was automatically stored at the F&VT Archive in Windmill Road as a master print rather than Enterprises own vault at Villiers House. Hope this helps! Richard
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Post by andrew martin on May 24, 2005 12:56:09 GMT
[quote Thanks for the information. Why was The Wheel in Space 5 junked in 1970, before the infamous junking era (1972 to 1978)? Is a junking slip for a particular episode almost certainly a death certificate (i.e. was the junking witnessed and then the slip signed) or could the episodes that have been signed as junked actually been stolen (which would be, in my opinion, the perfect cover). Just curious.[/quote]
It is theoretically possible that someone could have taken any of the material that was released for junking - but the likelihood is that they were junked, unfortunately. There is and was no signature required to 'prove' anything has been junked - the only way anyone can be sure something was junked is they themselves witnessed it. It's unlikely anyone salted away "Wheel in Space" #5 as those cans are pretty bulky!
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Post by ethantyler on May 24, 2005 13:17:06 GMT
Why was The Wheel in Space 5 junked in 1970, before the infamous junking era (1972 to 1978)? It's because the "infamous junking era" actually relates to what was happening with the 16mm prints and negatives held by BBC Enterprises. As The Wheel in Space#5 was a 35mm print, it was automatically stored at the F&VT Archive in Windmill Road as a master print rather than Enterprises own vault at Villiers House. Hope this helps! Richard That explains everything clearly, thanks!
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