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Post by Guest on Mar 14, 2005 1:52:00 GMT
Could someone enlighten me about how Episodes One, Two and Three survive (and how Episode Four does not if that's known - I've heard several different versions for this episode), please?
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Post by B Thomas on Mar 16, 2005 5:54:23 GMT
Who knows why? Could be that 1, 2 and 3 were episodes that (purely by chance) escaped the random junkings.
Others have said in the past that the current status of this serial indicates that the BBC intended to keep all four episodes but No. 4 got lost somewhere along the line...
All anyone has managed to ascertain is that this episode was not lost at the "Blue Peter" end of things as they were never issued the episode proper - just a few feet of film...
Who knows what the real story is behind the missing fourth episode and the reasons why...?
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Post by Stephen Neve on Mar 16, 2005 9:39:50 GMT
Who knows why? Could be that 1, 2 and 3 were episodes that (purely by chance) escaped the random junkings. Others have said in the past that the current status of this serial indicates that the BBC intended to keep all four episodes but No. 4 got lost somewhere along the line... All anyone has managed to ascertain is that this episode was not lost at the "Blue Peter" end of things as they were never issued the episode proper - just a few feet of film... Who knows what the real story is behind the missing fourth episode and the reasons why...? Thats very intresting, diden't know that, what about Masterplan 4, the traitors did Blue Peter only get a few feet of that or were they sent the whole episode. |
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Post by Mark Brown on Mar 16, 2005 10:29:01 GMT
Thats very intresting, diden't know that, what about Masterplan 4, the traitors did Blue Peter only get a few feet of that or were they sent the whole episode. They recieved it all, as a number of letters were sent to the BP office asking for it back. |
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Post by Simon on Mar 17, 2005 21:18:57 GMT
So somebody at the BP offices is not being entirely honest then.....
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Post by Ash Stewart on Mar 17, 2005 22:06:03 GMT
Or it could be that the film was mistakenly sent to BBC Ents, rather than the film library...
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Post by Richard Bignell on Mar 17, 2005 22:11:59 GMT
Or it could be that the film was mistakenly sent to BBC Ents, rather than the film library... It would have come from BBC Enterprises anyway. Richard |
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Post by Ash Stewart on Mar 18, 2005 8:51:22 GMT
It would have come from BBC Enterprises anyway. Richard Sorry, should have made it clear I was referring to Masterplan 4 (which came from the FL) rather than TP4 (from BBCE). |
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Post by William Martin on Mar 18, 2005 13:40:14 GMT
sounds like the bbc didn't have any coherent policy in those days and just muddled along. sounds about right.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Mar 18, 2005 16:33:56 GMT
Sorry, should have made it clear I was referring to Masterplan 4 (which came from the FL) rather than TP4 (from BBCE). So was I! What makes you think that the Film Library would have had DMP #4 on their shelves? Richard |
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Post by Ash Stewart on Mar 18, 2005 17:14:32 GMT
This bit from Richard Molesworth's "Archive Holdings" article from the RT website:
"There should have been 53 episodes in the Film Library. At various times before 1972, it had been in possession of - but had junked - the following material: 16mm film copies of ‘The Crusade’ part 1 and ‘The Ice Warriors’ part 3, and 35mm film copies of ‘The Celestial Toymaker’ part 2 (plus film sequences and trailer), ‘The Power of the Daleks’ part 6 (plus film sequences) and ‘The Wheel in Space’ part 5. Then in 1973, the children’s magazine programme ‘Blue Peter’ ran a feature on the tenth anniversary of ‘Doctor Who’. Many clips were chosen for the feature, including one from the only episode of ‘The Dalek Masterplan’ that the Film Library held - episode 4. After a clip from this episode was used (Katarina’s death scene), the 16mm print was due to be returned to the Film Library, but appears never to have made it back. The Film Library sent memos out to the person who had ordered the episodes for ‘Blue Peter’ (an individual by the suspicious-sounding name of J. Smith!!), reminding them that the print was overdue, but it was never returned. It was the only episode unaccounted for in 1978, when as inspection of the Film Library’s catalogue took place. "
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Post by andrew martin on Mar 20, 2005 18:39:40 GMT
The library did indeed have "Masterplan" ep4. Until relatively recently it was still logged as a live can on the BBC computer, albeit one that was missing. "Tenth Planet" ep4 wasn't logged however, suggesting it was borrowed from Enterprises. The "Masterplan" copy, like one or two other stray DW episodes, was possibly a spare copy that Enterprises sent to the library - I think possibly both "Underwater Mencace" ep3 and "The Crusade" ep.3's master cans say they are spare copies.
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Post by LanceM on Mar 21, 2005 18:18:19 GMT
So enlighten me,
Is it possible thst someone could of nicked the film prints of Tenth Planet ep 4, and Masterplan ep 4 ? Or is it more likely that they were thrown out, or juncked ? Or could the film more likely of been re for other programs that were more popular at the time? Any thoughts, or replys back would be fantastic.
Thanks,Lance.
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Post by Ash Stewart on Mar 21, 2005 21:13:00 GMT
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Post by andrew martin on Mar 22, 2005 13:35:00 GMT
So enlighten me, Is it possible thst someone could of nicked the film prints of Tenth Planet ep 4, and Masterplan ep 4 ? Or is it more likely that they were thrown out, or juncked ? Or could the film more likely of been re for other programs that were more popular at the time? Any thoughts, or replys back would be fantastic. Thanks,Lance. It may have been physically possible for someone to have taken the prints of the two episodes after Blue Peter had finished with them. It's equally possible that they were junked - or both sent back to BBC Enterprises (the Masterplan episode in error) and then junked. There are a number of things that could in theory have happened to them - but the fact remains we have no idea! |
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