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Post by Stephen Neve on Mar 16, 2005 10:13:22 GMT
Whilst there is no credible evidence for the existince of hoarders (those who know the value of what they have), there is sadly evidence that there are many people who would happily become hoarders given the chance. Wondering about this possibility (and wanting a laugh at the existence of Dr Who fans, natuarlly), several years ago I did an ebay missing episode hoax and although many saw through it, i did receive several emails from people offering huge sums of money for a quick, secret sale of the episode. Now, they may have merely wanted to buy themselves the 'glory' of being the one to return the episode to the BBC, but sadly I suspect they may not all have been thinking of sharing the find. Shame. Fans are the worst culrprits. I once did a poll at my fan group asking my mates if they found a lost episode what would they do. There replys were quite worrying, All of them at least wanted some sort of gain from the episode, most of them said they would probally return it but only if the BBC paid them or gave them copies of other episodes in exchange. I was the only one who said I would return it without any strings attached, shame really!. If a fan ever got hold of a lost episode I would be very worried indeed. |
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Post by William Martin on Mar 16, 2005 15:07:13 GMT
Fans are the worst culrprits. I once did a poll at my fan group asking my mates if they found a lost episode what would they do. There replys were quite worrying, All of them at least wanted some sort of gain from the episode, most of them said they would probally return it but only if the BBC paid them or gave them copies of other episodes in exchange. I was the only one who said I would return it without any strings attached, shame really!. If a fan ever got hold of a lost episode I would be very worried indeed. I can only agree and unfortunatly hoarders do exist I do know of a few and although they tend not to have very much what they do have they hang on to like grim death, even close freinds and fellow fans knew nothing , I can't go into details but their archives are now open and the material they have is now in the public realm, as far as we can be sure. |
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Post by Stephen Neve on Mar 16, 2005 16:17:20 GMT
I can only agree and unfortunatly hoarders do exist I do know of a few and although they tend not to have very much what they do have they hang on to like grim death, even close freinds and fellow fans knew nothing , I can't go into details but their archives are now open and the material they have is now in the public realm, as far as we can be sure. The Swines! They diden't have any Dr Who at all did they! |
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Post by William Martin on Mar 18, 2005 13:50:25 GMT
The Swines! They diden't have any Dr Who at all did they! not this lot, you can't even trust a hoarder these days , guess we'll have to take the whole world apart brick by brick  |
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Post by Ben on Mar 18, 2005 18:20:42 GMT
What are the legal/copyright issues with purchasing and selling missing episodes or any BBC films even? I seem to recall that the BBC were originally plannig to sue Bruce Grenville after he returned The Lion when he planned to sell the film print at an auction. If this is true, they couldn't have been any more stupid.
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Post by Ian Beard on Mar 19, 2005 0:27:16 GMT
William, (the one who doesn't consider either capital letters or punctuation to be of importance when using the the written word), just why can't you let the wider world know which of your "mates" held on to missing material?
And exactly which programmes which have be returned?
I've been active on the 16mm UK circuit for the best part of twenty years, and every programme known to be missing from the various archives that I, and the (not insubstantial collectors circuit), have a print of has been returned.
For you to know "a few" that haven't just beggars belief I'm afraid.
Facts, please - otherwise keep your silence, or it all devolves into "I've a mate who knows that a friend of his cousin had a teacher who said he had a uncle that once had a film print of a DOCTOR WHO episode"...
...which turns out to be a 10cm-wide, 8mm reel of one of the Dalek films.
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Post by Eric on Mar 19, 2005 1:56:48 GMT
Interesting Thread guys...but there is a thread I looked into (Music, TOTP) where a collector of Buddy Holly seemed to have amassed a huge collection of Film, Records, etc...but passed away...leaving his family to be pestered by collectors, and god knows what...would have HE be classed as a "Hoarder?"....
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Post by Ben on Mar 19, 2005 2:21:11 GMT
Depends whether he was aware of the value of the material and unwilling to return it. If he simply had no idea of its value, then, no, he wasn't a hoarder, just a collector. I think the basic definition of a hoarder is someone who knowlingly has "lost" material and refuses to return it to the archives hoping to make a profit on it (or possibly just knowing that they probably have the only copy).
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Post by William Martin on Mar 19, 2005 15:12:11 GMT
Interesting Thread guys...but there is a thread I looked into (Music, TOTP) where a collector of Buddy Holly seemed to have amassed a huge collection of Film, Records, etc...but passed away...leaving his family to be pestered by collectors, and god knows what...would have HE be classed as a "Hoarder?".... yes, but a good one as oposed to an "evil" one. hoarders quite often have mostly duplicates, they seem not to be the ones that search them out at the source but track them down from other collectors. |
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Post by William Martin on Mar 19, 2005 15:17:00 GMT
William, (the one who doesn't consider either capital letters or punctuation to be of importance when using the the written word), just why can't you let the wider world know which of your "mates" held on to missing material? And exactly which programmes which have be returned? I've been active on the 16mm UK circuit for the best part of twenty years, and every programme known to be missing from the various archives that I, and the (not insubstantial collectors circuit), have a print of has been returned. For you to know "a few" that haven't just beggars belief I'm afraid. Facts, please - otherwise keep your silence, or it all devolves into "I've a mate who knows that a friend of his cousin had a teacher who said he had a uncle that once had a film print of a DOCTOR WHO episode"... ...which turns out to be a 10cm-wide, 8mm reel of one of the Dalek films. they're not freinds of mine, to quite honest I don't like them at all, not nice people, selfish, immature and arrogant I'd say with an overblown sense of self importance. and the last point is quite right , I did think about that when I posted and I've already decided not to post like this again unless I am , free/able to provide proof. as you say anyone could say it. |
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Post by LanceM on Mar 19, 2005 15:18:07 GMT
Eric,
Did you contact the collector and see if he did indeed have any Doctor Who prints ? Or is all of his collection now sold away? If they still have any material in thier possesion then contact them and see if they have any Doctor Who related material. Who knows, you could be the next person to return a lost episode to the BBC !
Lance.
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Post by Ian Beard on Mar 19, 2005 17:52:47 GMT
William - I apologise for what, in the cold light of day, I'd rather edit to remove a couple of sarcy comments.
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Post by Wright Blan on Mar 19, 2005 22:00:02 GMT
Eric, Did you contact the collector and see if he did indeed have any Doctor Who prints ? Or is all of his collection now sold away? If they still have any material in thier possesion then contact them and see if they have any Doctor Who related material. Who knows, you could be the next person to return a lost episode to the BBC ! Lance. Lance, if the collector did, I don't think that he would be open about it. |
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Post by LanceM on Mar 20, 2005 7:20:28 GMT
Probably not.
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Post by William Martin on Mar 21, 2005 16:17:59 GMT
William - I apologise for what, in the cold light of day, I'd rather edit to remove a couple of sarcy comments. no problem mate, I wasn't offended anyway  but realy these are people you wan't to stay away from, I don't know if there are any Dr Who hoarders but if there are we will only find out if they admit to it, seeing from the side lines how it affected, emotionaly the people who open up the hoarderd archives, I just think it isn't worth it, 5-10 years just to get a copy of a tv or radio show, lifes too short, the only good thing is that any episodes that do exist are being well taken care of, even if we won't ever see them. Best thing is to keep searching and try and keep ahead of them, because they do tend to be very rich and have plenty of time on their hands. |
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