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Post by Rob Moss on May 1, 2024 5:45:22 GMT
Let me explain in a kind way to you. The surviving location film was created by transfering footage from the original 35mm color film to 16mm b/w. This was mostly done to make a practice copy, so the editors can know where to cut, so the cut is perfectly done on the now-lost color version. That's why the 16mm inserts still exist, because some editor didn't throw his edit print away. So, it's a 1st gen copy, not 2nd gen. Not sure how you figure out that footage which has been transferred from colour film to black and white film is still 1st gen… |
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Post by John Wall on May 1, 2024 7:11:01 GMT
Let me explain in a kind way to you. The surviving location film was created by transfering footage from the original 35mm color film to 16mm b/w. This was mostly done to make a practice copy, so the editors can know where to cut, so the cut is perfectly done on the now-lost color version. That's why the 16mm inserts still exist, because some editor didn't throw his edit print away. So, it's a 1st gen copy, not 2nd gen. Not sure how you figure out that footage which has been transferred from colour film to black and white film is still 1st gen… I know what you mean. Thinking back to “real” cinema they’d project a print struck from the negative. Was that first generation or was it the negative? Perhaps the negative was Gen Zero? |
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Post by clive on May 29, 2024 1:23:00 GMT
Since the BBC launched the 'Whoniverse', it said that all the classic epiosdes would be available through IPlayer (which I dont have access to, not being in the UK). Is IOTD available via iPlayer, and if so, what version/quality?
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Post by Rob Moss on May 31, 2024 21:11:25 GMT
Since the BBC launched the 'Whoniverse', it said that all the classic epiosdes would be available through IPlayer (which I dont have access to, not being in the UK). Is IOTD available via iPlayer, and if so, what version/quality? It’s the colour version as seen on the DVD. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2024 15:25:25 GMT
Since the BBC launched the 'Whoniverse', it said that all the classic epiosdes would be available through IPlayer (which I dont have access to, not being in the UK). Is IOTD available via iPlayer, and if so, what version/quality? It’s the colour version as seen on the DVD. So, its the 2012 Chroma dot color recovery attempt. Makes you wonder if they'll ever consider doing a proper recolorization of the episode. Heck, I would pay for it if I could. |
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Post by John Wall on Jun 2, 2024 16:27:02 GMT
It’s the colour version as seen on the DVD. So, its the 2012 Chroma dot color recovery attempt. Makes you wonder if they'll ever consider doing a proper recolorization of the episode. Heck, I would pay for it if I could. All sorts of things are, and will be, considered but it all comes down to pounds, shillings and pence 👎 |
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Post by Natalie Sinead on Sept 16, 2024 9:05:52 GMT
I wish grey hairs were not so uptight about using modern tech to fix things so good scripts from writers like Hulke can shine and no longer be obscured by crappy effects and gaffes and line flubs - no, Billy Fluffs are not endearing and are not part of the charm!
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Post by richardwoods on Sept 21, 2024 6:37:34 GMT
I wish grey hairs were not so uptight about using modern tech to fix things so good scripts from writers like Hulke can shine and no longer be obscured by crappy effects and gaffes and line flubs - no, Billy Fluffs are not endearing and are not part of the charm! I’m probably what you would describe as a grey hair and I completely agree with you, in particular the Invasion of the Dinosaurs SFX were dreadful and in my experience a laughing stock at the time let alone now, and it would definitely be improved by a complete revamp. It’s nothing to do with age, it’s a perception & taste issue. |
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Post by johngrundy on Sept 21, 2024 9:25:13 GMT
I wish grey hairs were not so uptight about using modern tech to fix things so good scripts from writers like Hulke can shine and no longer be obscured by crappy effects and gaffes and line flubs - no, Billy Fluffs are not endearing and are not part of the charm! I’m probably what you would describe as a grey hair and I completely agree with you, in particular the Invasion of the Dinosaurs SFX were dreadful and in my experience a laughing stock at the time let alone now, and it would definitely be improved by a complete revamp. It’s nothing to do with age, it’s a perception & taste issue. The pterodactyl scenes were successful, at least, particularly when it was snapping at the Doctor in the jeep. The Brontosaurus (Apatosaurus) looked good, the rest of the dinosaur models pretty terrible. At least stop-motion animator Ray Harryhausen worked with Arthur Hayward, the British Museum's taxidermist for the look of his dinosaurs in his movies, which were excellent & 'accurate' for the time. I don't know who the model makers for IOTD worked with (themselves probably!) or what their reference material was... an ugly nightmare, it would seem. Even those Hong Kong rubber toy dinosaurs of the time looked better! |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Sept 21, 2024 10:09:44 GMT
The pterodactyl scenes were successful, at least, particularly when it was snapping at the Doctor in the jeep. The Brontosaurus (Apatosaurus) looked good, the rest of the dinosaur models pretty terrible. The Stegosaurus and the briefly seen Triceratops, as well as the close up Tyrannosaurus head all look fine to me. It’s just the full-length Tyrannosaurus that’s somewhat iffy. |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Sept 21, 2024 10:10:28 GMT
I wish grey hairs were not so uptight about using modern tech to fix things so good scripts from writers like Hulke can shine and no longer be obscured by crappy effects and gaffes and line flubs - no, Billy Fluffs are not endearing and are not part of the charm! Who said anyone is uptight about it? |
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Post by johngrundy on Sept 21, 2024 11:26:03 GMT
I wish grey hairs were not so uptight about using modern tech to fix things so good scripts from writers like Hulke can shine and no longer be obscured by crappy effects and gaffes and line flubs - no, Billy Fluffs are not endearing and are not part of the charm! One would need the original elements of IOTD to insert new FX decently. A clean canvas. Otherwise one has to work over or around what's already there, like CGI'ing a new T-rex over the top of the old one. (And go easy on the grey hairs there, but thanks all the same for reminding this dinosaur he needs to re-book Toni & Guy to get his CGI'd over). |
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Post by brianfretwell on Sept 30, 2024 8:46:23 GMT
Not sure how you figure out that footage which has been transferred from colour film to black and white film is still 1st gen… I know what you mean. Thinking back to “real” cinema they’d project a print struck from the negative. Was that first generation or was it the negative? Perhaps the negative was Gen Zero? They wouldn't print from a camera negative but from a colour reversal internegative so it would be third generation (at least) you would be watching in the cinema. They wouldn't risk sploces breaking when making multiple prints in high speed printers. |
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Post by Richard Develyn on Oct 7, 2024 16:15:48 GMT
I watched a Fawlty Towers episode recently, the one with Mrs Richards and her hearing problems. Now, you can see that the window she complains about having no view is a piece of paper stuck on a piece of scenery.
Sigh :-)
It comes down to big televisions, restored prints, and old BBC budgets. I suppose some things could be done to improve them, but I think that fundamentally, we have to live with it.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 7, 2024 19:38:17 GMT
I watched a Fawlty Towers episode recently, the one with Mrs Richards and her hearing problems. Now, you can see that the window she complains about having no view is a piece of paper stuck on a piece of scenery. Sigh :-) It comes down to big televisions, restored prints, and old BBC budgets. I suppose some things could be done to improve them, but I think that fundamentally, we have to live with it. When I watch old, i.e., great, DW I rarely cease to be amazed by how often things actually worked. Hinchcliffe inherited five years of learning how to best use CSO but there are plenty of Pertwees where the effects work and the production team make brilliant use of their very limited budget. Most stories didn’t have dodgy dinosaurs and, even today, lotsa CGI won’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear! |
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