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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 21:31:04 GMT
I hope soon we'll get Invasion of the Dinosaurs on Blu-Ray either by itself or as part of Season 11. I know that Episode 1 still only survives on the 16mm print that was returned by Ian Levine in 1983 while 2-6 still survive on their original PAL tapes. The 2012 Chroma dot recovery attempt on Episode 1 isn't perfect, but maybe they can recolorize the episode manually. I've seem people online recolorize parts of the B&W footage, and the results look way better than the 2012 attempt, so it may be feasable. Also, since the B&W 16mm film sequences for Episode 1 still exist, we could also transfer and colorize those sequences to give a better result.
I know also that the film sequences for Episodes 3 and 5 still exist in color (not sure about 2, 4, and 6), so they can be used to restore the episodes as well while also restoring the rest of the footage on Episodes 2-6. If we need to, we could also use the B&W prints of Episodes 2 and 3 that are in private collections since we know Episodes 1-3 were the last Doctor Who episodes to be telerecorded (The Time Warrior was the last serial to be fully telerecorded).
Does anyone else loke to see IOTD be released on Blu-Ray in any way or form?
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Post by stevehoare61 on Jan 18, 2024 5:24:01 GMT
Im sure it will be in time. It just has to wait its turn like most of them. The sheer amount of material on each new package is huge and possible explains why they seem to be so slow in coming out lately. I personally only watched Dinosaurs the other evening on iplayer, and didnt think it was too bad so I assume colourisation is the least of the teams problems,,,,somehow dealing with our rubber friends and some decent CGI is .
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Post by davetudor on Jan 19, 2024 11:22:56 GMT
There really is no reason why it wouldn't be released on Blu-Ray - as Steve suggests, just a little patience is required. By the time Season 15 comes out, more than half of the classic series will have been released in just under six years. Therefore, it's not unlikely that the rest of The Collection, including Season 11, will be available within the next five years. The production team appear committed to issuing the entire series, so I really don't think they would leave out 'Invasion' just because of possible issues with the colourisation! Besides, technology has indeed come on leaps and bounds since the DVD release, and I'd imagine Seasons 3 and 4 would pose far more problems than this one. So just hold on, and I'm sure it will be out before too long.  |
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Post by John Wall on Jan 19, 2024 11:59:22 GMT
What’s needed is another colour source that can be mixed/blended with that from Colour Recovery - there’s nothing fundamentally difficult if the resources are available and we have regular discussions here about the onwards march of technology.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 16:01:09 GMT
What’s needed is another colour source that can be mixed/blended with that from Colour Recovery - there’s nothing fundamentally difficult if the resources are available and we have regular discussions here about the onwards march of technology. We don't have a off-air video recording of the original UK broadcast (because the CV-2000, VO-1600, and the Shibaden were still expensive and in B/W) and it wasn't sold overseas in its original PAL format until the 1980s, when the 16mm print of Ep 1 was returned. Also, the print lacked the blue Chroma dots, which is why the 2011 Color recovery was not up to broadcast standards. I think the only option for this episode is to do a manual colorization, like what they had to do with Episode 1 of the Mind of Evil. |
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Post by John Wall on Jan 19, 2024 20:34:38 GMT
What’s needed is another colour source that can be mixed/blended with that from Colour Recovery - there’s nothing fundamentally difficult if the resources are available and we have regular discussions here about the onwards march of technology. We don't have a off-air video recording of the original UK broadcast (because the CV-2000, VO-1600, and the Shibaden were still expensive and in B/W) and it wasn't sold overseas in its original PAL format until the 1980s, when the 16mm print of Ep 1 was returned. Also, the print lacked the blue Chroma dots, which is why the 2011 Color recovery was not up to broadcast standards. I think the only option for this episode is to do a manual colorization, like what they had to do with Episode 1 of the Mind of Evil. That’s right, like the original restoration of PotD3. It’s not fundamentally difficult - but someone has to pay. Hopefully technology will reduce that cost. |
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Post by michaelnorris on Jan 19, 2024 20:37:28 GMT
It came out on VHS and on DVD... but nah they'll just exclude it from the season 11 box set...
In all seriousness they will certainly properly colorize it when it comes time. They have a whole team of people that have colorized or are colorizing at least 2 black and white stories now, with at least the first having been broadcast on BBC4. I'm sure IOTD1 is a given at thus point.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 19, 2024 21:00:20 GMT
It came out on VHS and on DVD... but nah they'll just exclude it from the season 11 box set... In all seriousness they will certainly properly colorize it when it comes time. They have a whole team of people that have colorized or are colorizing at least 2 black and white stories now, with at least the first having been broadcast on BBC4. I'm sure IOTD1 is a given at thus point. This is probably the final classic DW release and, imho, they’ll be looking to get it absolutely right 👍 |
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Post by billardery on Jan 20, 2024 2:05:30 GMT
Mind of Evil 1 only survived as a B/W telerecording without *any* chroma dots to work with. It was restored just over 10 years ago by manually recolorizing thousands of keyframes and algorithmically interpolating the frames between them (with some manual intervention). I'm sure they'll get to Invasion of the Dinosaurs 1 eventually, and when they do, the interpolation algorithms will probably be a lot more accurate, requiring less manual intervention.
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Post by sonnybh on Jan 20, 2024 11:45:21 GMT
Mind of Evil 1 only survived as a B/W telerecording without *any* chroma dots to work with. It was restored just over 10 years ago by manually recolorizing thousands of keyframes and algorithmically interpolating the frames between them (with some manual intervention). I'm sure they'll get to Invasion of the Dinosaurs 1 eventually, and when they do, the interpolation algorithms will probably be a lot more accurate, requiring less manual intervention. I was thinking eventually it will we colourised, especially as some partial chroma dots exist, so hopefully an algorithm could be developed to map in the blue shades. Probably when the Season 11 box set is in planning. |
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Post by John Wall on Jan 20, 2024 11:51:43 GMT
Mind of Evil 1 only survived as a B/W telerecording without *any* chroma dots to work with. It was restored just over 10 years ago by manually recolorizing thousands of keyframes and algorithmically interpolating the frames between them (with some manual intervention). I'm sure they'll get to Invasion of the Dinosaurs 1 eventually, and when they do, the interpolation algorithms will probably be a lot more accurate, requiring less manual intervention. I was thinking eventually it will we colourised, especially as some partial chroma dots exist, so hopefully an algorithm could be developed to map in the blue shades. Probably when the Season 11 box set is in planning. I agree. It’s worth comparing how differently colour recovery worked on the film and VT sequences. Heaven knows what AI might deliver👍 |
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Post by markperry on Jan 20, 2024 22:11:30 GMT
I'm sure they'll get to Invasion of the Dinosaurs 1 eventually, and when they do, the interpolation algorithms will probably be a lot more accurate, requiring less manual intervention.[/quote]
Wouldn't that be history repeating itself as it was the last VHS released!
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Post by John Wall on Jan 20, 2024 22:24:06 GMT
I'm sure they'll get to Invasion of the Dinosaurs 1 eventually, and when they do, the interpolation algorithms will probably be a lot more accurate, requiring less manual intervention. Wouldn't that be history repeating itself as it was the last VHS released![/quote] Have we been here before…….or are we yet to be! |
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Post by markperry on Jan 22, 2024 3:21:03 GMT
Where and when was the cutting copy of Episode 1 found. I nearly tripped over when I initially thought there were 2 copies of the episode until I realised it only contains the film sequences only which is quite lengthy seens nearly the whole episode is filmed. (1000 vs 700 ft).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2024 5:43:01 GMT
Where and when was the cutting copy of Episode 1 found. I nearly tripped over when I initially thought there were 2 copies of the episode until I realised it only contains the film sequences only which is quite lengthy seens nearly the whole episode is filmed. (1000 vs 700 ft). When will the whole cutting copy/raw film sequences be released in full publicly? |
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