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Post by Marie Griffiths on Nov 11, 2023 13:58:47 GMT
Is this old news and what are the missing Hartnell episodes?
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Nov 11, 2023 14:19:01 GMT
It’s been known a number of missing episodes are in the hands of collectors. This was revealed by Paul some time ago. I think he estimated there were six. (Please correct me if I’m wrong)
Which episodes they are has been a matter of speculation. The collectors are not prepared to hand them over, as the article suggests.
The only thing new is the article says one of the episodes is a Dalek one? I didn’t know this.
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Post by Roland Martin on Nov 11, 2023 15:16:26 GMT
Specifically, a Hartnell Dalek episode, which narrows things down a bit.
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Post by Scot Ferre on Nov 11, 2023 15:19:47 GMT
With thanks to Mr. Bignell:
Tim Burrows has posted on Twitter/X:
"Regarding the article, I’ve spoken to John and he has said that he was alluding to the same two episodes that Paul Vanezis has mentioned over the years and that he doesn’t know what they are. He DID NOT mention Daleks and he has been misrepresented. Sorry to rain on everyone’s parade."
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Nov 11, 2023 15:30:25 GMT
It’s been a while. I remember now Paul said two episodes.
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Post by Angel Amezquita (Angelgreat) on Nov 11, 2023 15:33:31 GMT
John Franklin and Paul Vanezis only know the identity of the two episodes and they are only willing to tell if the BBC promises to give general amnesty on missing film footage.
Collectors don't want a repeat of Bob Monkhouse who's archive was seized in 1978 and never returned to him.
I think there should be amnesty to Any collector as they wanted to save films from being lost forever. They're getting old and may not be around longer. Who knows what will happen to the films if they pass.
Also, whether the statement relates to the missing WOF3, I don't know, but let's not ask that question.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Nov 11, 2023 16:00:12 GMT
Also, whether the statement relates to the missing WOF3, I don't know, but let's not ask that question. No. It doesn't. Why would it? |
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Post by Angel Amezquita (Angelgreat) on Nov 11, 2023 16:10:27 GMT
Also, whether the statement relates to the missing WOF3, I don't know, but let's not ask that question. No. It doesn't. Why would it? Because someone is bound to ask that eventually. |
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Post by awpeacock on Nov 11, 2023 16:14:50 GMT
No. It doesn't. Why would it? Because someone is bound to ask that eventually. The article specifically relates to, and references, people rescuing film cans that were being junked in the UK. It doesn't refer to overseas sales/prints whatsoever. You'd have to go quite off topic for someone to start talking about that. |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Nov 11, 2023 16:22:51 GMT
No. It doesn't. Why would it? Because someone is bound to ask that eventually. Why, for a film that was "supposed" stolen 4000 miles away? |
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Post by Stephen Neve on Nov 11, 2023 16:25:52 GMT
John Franklin and Paul Vanezis only know the identity of the two episodes and they are only willing to tell if the BBC promises to give general amnesty on missing film footage. Collectors don't want a repeat of Bob Monkhouse who's archive was seized in 1978 and never returned to him. I think there should be amnesty to Any collector as they wanted to save films from being lost forever. They're getting old and may not be around longer. Who knows what will happen to the films if they pass. Also, whether the statement relates to the missing WOF3, I don't know, but let's not ask that question. A general amnesty already exists. So its not really clear what this collector actually wants. |
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Post by mattg on Nov 11, 2023 16:27:26 GMT
John Franklin and Paul Vanezis only know the identity of the two episodes and they are only willing to tell if the BBC promises to give general amnesty on missing film footage. Collectors don't want a repeat of Bob Monkhouse who's archive was seized in 1978 and never returned to him. I think there should be amnesty to Any collector as they wanted to save films from being lost forever. They're getting old and may not be around longer. Who knows what will happen to the films if they pass. Also, whether the statement relates to the missing WOF3, I don't know, but let's not ask that question. ….I guess we can add fear of prosecution to the ever growing list of euphemisms for ‘want remuneration’ in explaining why some collectors refuse to part with/share their televisual treasures! On a related note how many years porridge did the late Terry Burnett end up doing for hoarding ‘Air Lock’ and ‘Underwater Menace 2’?  Though I myself would never advocate a ‘cash for (film) cans’ type policy my incorrigible cynicism tells me that all these alleged impediments dissuading collectors from returning such material would magically disappear once chequebooks started opening… |
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Post by Stephen Neve on Nov 11, 2023 16:32:43 GMT
Because someone is bound to ask that eventually. Why, for a film that was "supposed" stolen 4000 miles away? Phil Morris claims an Aussie fan has it. |
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Post by Stephen Neve on Nov 11, 2023 16:36:40 GMT
John Franklin and Paul Vanezis only know the identity of the two episodes and they are only willing to tell if the BBC promises to give general amnesty on missing film footage. Collectors don't want a repeat of Bob Monkhouse who's archive was seized in 1978 and never returned to him. I think there should be amnesty to Any collector as they wanted to save films from being lost forever. They're getting old and may not be around longer. Who knows what will happen to the films if they pass. Also, whether the statement relates to the missing WOF3, I don't know, but let's not ask that question. ….I guess we can add fear of prosecution to the ever growing list of euphemisms for ‘want remuneration’ in explaining why some collectors refuse to part with/share their televisual treasures! On a related note how many years porridge did the late Terry Burnett end up doing for hoarding ‘Air Lock’ and ‘Underwater Menace 2’? Though I would never personally advocate a ‘cash for (film) cans’ type policy my incorrigible cynicism tells me that all these alleged/claimed impediments preventing collectors from returning such material would magically disappear upon the opening of a chequebook… These collectors appear to be in the 80's and Paul V knows who has them so there is slight chance in the next 10 years we may get them back. I suppose it depends what happens when these people pass away. |
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Post by Stephen Neve on Nov 11, 2023 16:39:21 GMT
It’s been known a number of missing episodes are in the hands of collectors. This was revealed by Paul some time ago. I think he estimated there were six. (Please correct me if I’m wrong) Which episodes they are has been a matter of speculation. The collectors are not prepared to hand them over, as the article suggests. The only thing new is the article says one of the episodes is a Dalek one? I didn’t know this. All we seem to know is the two Paul have mentioned are Hartnell and season 3. So that's any 2 from Galaxy 4 to the Savages. |
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