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Post by scotttelfer on Nov 11, 2023 18:26:46 GMT
NOTE: This is speculation, so take this with a grain of salt. Myth Makers is a Season 3 story, so in between Galaxy 4 to the Savages. Plus, it's the only Season 3 story mentioned in the both the BritBox listing and in the recent Omnirumors. Only John Franklin and Paul Vanezis know 100 percent, but can't neither confirm nor deny for privacy reasons and legal threats. We're trying to give privacy collectors amnesty and anonymity, not doxxing and harassment.
If Paul Vanezis is the only person other than the film collector who knows what the episodes are why on earth would some random employee at Britbox know what it was? And literally everything was listed in the omnirumour, that doesn't narrow it down any. I'll also point out that The Myth Makers was on the list of '75 returns.
Your speculation isn't helping.
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Post by Tim Burrows on Nov 11, 2023 19:01:15 GMT
With thanks to Mr. Bignell: Tim Burrows has posted on Twitter/X: "Regarding the article, I’ve spoken to John and he has said that he was alluding to the same two episodes that Paul Vanezis has mentioned over the years and that he doesn’t know what they are. He DID NOT mention Daleks and he has been misrepresented. Sorry to rain on everyone’s parade." The Guardian will often correct mistakes, and provide a note about such corrections. Anyone fancy getting in touch with them? They've been asked. |
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Post by John Wall on Nov 11, 2023 20:20:52 GMT
What a load of Brilliant Speculation.
If you’ve got a ME it’s very simple. You pass it to someone of integrity, such as PV. If necessary this can be done in best John Le Carre fashion with a false beard and moustache on a park bench.
PV checks/repairs things like splices and digitises it.
PV then returns the print.
Auntie then has a high resolution scan of the print which can then be cleaned up, Mark Ayres can sort out the sound, etc, etc ready for release.
The print owner disappears back into anonymity, which they’ve never left!
End of.
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Post by John Green on Nov 11, 2023 20:29:34 GMT
Sometimes people, not least the elderly, can feel anxiety about things that seem simple enough to most of us. Were it not so, there would be no phobias, and a damn sight less worry in the world.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Nov 11, 2023 21:41:27 GMT
I was waiting for nonsense like this to pop up just before the 60th anniversary celebrations,just to wind up gullible fans like the omnirumour did 10 years ago.It's rubbish and frankly we shouldn't be giving it the time of day.To be honest,the world and I have moved on since the 50th anniversary and I'm not sure I really care anymore.Is it just me but why do I feel the 60th feels contrived with it's colourised episodes, animations of poor 60s stories and backtracked revelations of MEs that exist in the hands of private collectors that will never see the light of day?Reports from the Guardian are probably also published to increase readership and will now be a permanent fixture to titilate Dr Who fans in the future.I really wouldn't give it more than 5 minutes of any Dr Who fan's attention.
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Post by John Wall on Nov 11, 2023 21:55:58 GMT
I was waiting for nonsense like this to pop up just before the 60th anniversary celebrations,just to wind up gullible fans like the omnirumour did 10 years ago.It's rubbish and frankly we shouldn't be giving it the time of day.To be honest,the world and I have moved on since the 50th anniversary and I'm not sure I really care anymore.Is it just me but why do I feel the 60th feels contrived with it's colourised episodes, animations of poor 60s stories and backtracked revelations of MEs that exist in the hands of private collectors that will never see the light of day?Reports from the Guardian are probably also published to increase readership and will now be a permanent fixture to titilate Dr Who fans in the future.I really wouldn't give it more than 5 minutes of any Dr Who fan's attention. As much as 5? |
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Nov 11, 2023 22:08:33 GMT
I was waiting for nonsense like this to pop up just before the 60th anniversary celebrations,just to wind up gullible fans like the omnirumour did 10 years ago.It's rubbish and frankly we shouldn't be giving it the time of day.To be honest,the world and I have moved on since the 50th anniversary and I'm not sure I really care anymore.Is it just me but why do I feel the 60th feels contrived with it's colourised episodes, animations of poor 60s stories and backtracked revelations of MEs that exist in the hands of private collectors that will never see the light of day?Reports from the Guardian are probably also published to increase readership and will now be a permanent fixture to titilate Dr Who fans in the future.I really wouldn't give it more than 5 minutes of any Dr Who fan's attention. As much as 5? Well exactly John.5 seconds would probably be more accurate. |
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Post by johnw on Nov 11, 2023 22:09:00 GMT
It’s been known a number of missing episodes are in the hands of collectors. This was revealed by Paul some time ago. I think he estimated there were six. (Please correct me if I’m wrong) Which episodes they are has been a matter of speculation. The collectors are not prepared to hand them over, as the article suggests. The only thing new is the article says one of the episodes is a Dalek one? I didn’t know this. All we seem to know is the two Paul have mentioned are Hartnell and season 3. So that's any 2 from Galaxy 4 to the Savages. Correct me if I am wrong but I don't remember seeing anything from Paul confirming season 3. Both Hartnell, not from the same story and not from the 75 returns, is all I remember. Anyway reading the article I suspected it was based around this and it's another example of the press turning some information into one big hype unfortunately. |
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Nov 11, 2023 23:51:05 GMT
Sadly the reporter, who contacted John Franklin regarding publicising the Film is Fabulous event has mangled some of what John has said and wrote an article entirely focused on Doctor Who, despite John telling her he knew nothing about it.
It has been pointed out to the reporter that the headline (reluctance to return material) is untrue. It is simply not a priority for one collector who doesn't really care about DW. The whole 'amnesty' aspect was introduced by the reporter and not John and the fact that there has been a general amnesty for BBC material in private hands for at least 35 years could have been checked by the reporter by contacting the BBC Archive, which she obviously did not do.
A correction has been requested by John, but whether they will correct it, who knows. They should because the sections in quotes and attributed to him are not direct quotes at all and therefore not what he said.
I guess that's the press for you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 3:38:06 GMT
Message from Jim, which itself is a message from John Franklin. It validates Paul Vanezis's statement.
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Post by nathangeorge on Nov 12, 2023 7:10:52 GMT
I have complained at length to the Guardian for the blatant factual errors and misrepresentation of John Franklin.
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Post by stevehoare61 on Nov 12, 2023 8:04:46 GMT
What happened with Bob Monkhouse was a disgusting series of events and the ever grand BBC shooting itself in the foot again. If it hadnt been for Bob and many other collectors, a great deal of material which the BBC had willingly destroyed or thought they had, would not exist now. They were quite happy when Web of Fear etc were released on DVD and brought in loads of dosh for them along with other old episodes. They have created this problem where we have been led to believe these Collectors are mad, greedy, spitefull people whos attitude was Mine, Mine , Mine. Whereas a fair few are simply frightened by the BBCs attitude. The BBC should get down and thank these people in print, for having the foresight to save these episodes, of any genre when they didnt. Time they got their act together and stopped F***ing about while these people and its audience are still with us.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Nov 12, 2023 8:36:57 GMT
What happened with Bob Monkhouse was a disgusting series of events and the ever grand BBC shooting itself in the foot again. Why on earth are you linking the two things together? One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. |
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Post by awpeacock on Nov 12, 2023 9:33:30 GMT
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Post by Sara Irving on Nov 12, 2023 10:09:17 GMT
NOTE: This is speculation, so take this with a grain of salt. Myth Makers is a Season 3 story, so in between Galaxy 4 to the Savages. Plus, it's the only Season 3 story mentioned in the both the BritBox listing and in the recent Omnirumors. Only John Franklin and Paul Vanezis know 100 percent, but can't neither confirm nor deny for privacy reasons and legal threats. We're trying to give privacy collectors amnesty and anonymity, not doxxing and harassment. No, John Franklin doesn't know, see Tim's tweet which you've already posted, yet left your comment about John knowing there. The Britbox listings are, as people keep saying, utter nonsense. A clerical error does not a substantiated rumour make. Based off well-thought out reasoning from others, the Vanezis 2 are one from Marco or Reign, and one from either Massacre, Toymaker or Savages - based on deductive reasoning from what Paul has said, namely his original statement that one was an Australian return and the other wasn't, which was later corrected to neither from the Australian returns. The two obvious absences from the 75 returns are Marco and Reign, and the 3 stories that, based on the rest of the returns, could be assumed to be on the list but aren't are Massacre, Toymaker and Savages. Additionally the number 6 comes from Phil Morris, not Paul, who has maintained that the number is 2 since his first statement about them. Make of that what you will. |
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