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Post by John Wall on Aug 4, 2023 17:10:19 GMT
It seems to be standard operating practice to ask collectors if they have any DW. Well, that's not half as glamorous or exciting as what I'd hoped  I had visions of James Bond-esque espionage and subterfuge... No! No! Not the comfy chair! |
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Post by RossL on Aug 4, 2023 17:52:00 GMT
The question I would like to ask, especially to Paul is why? Why don't these collectors want to hand over them? Is is because they are after money or like the feeling of exclusivity of owning something no one else has or could it be they feel protective of them having ensured that they still exist? All of which are fair enough and I understand why they don't want to hand them over but it would be nice to just to know their rationale. If it's money there are more than enough of us to crowd fund whatever their asking price is, assuming it isn't something ridiculous like the GDP of a Caribbean nation. If it the second or third ideas, as long as they are in a protected and controlled environment and won't turn into vinegar then at least there is hope. Because to many collectors the knowlege they have something absolutely unique is a form of power over other collectors / other mere mortals who dont have the item. Some of these guys wouldnt take a few hundred thousand pounds if you waved a suitcase of money in front of their noses - they would rather have the knowledge THEY have it & YOU dont. The biggest threat to the existing episodes is simply old age. Many of these guys must be quite elderly now. Unless they have made specific bequests for the piles of film tins / obsolete video format tapes or whatever the material is in their collections AND made sure the family knows then there is a good chance they will be thrown out on their death & the inevitable house clearances. Dont think it cant happen - we lost several missing Top Of The Pops episodes a year or so back when most of an extensive video collection was sent to landfill when the chap died. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2023 17:52:43 GMT
I wish collectors would just loan the missing episodes to the BBC so that HD scans and D3 copies can be made. That way the print can be returned to the collector and so the BBC has a copy in their archives.
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Post by John Wall on Aug 4, 2023 18:00:11 GMT
I wish collectors would just loan the missing episodes to the BBC so that HD scans and D3 copies can be made. That way the print can be returned to the collector and so the BBC has a copy in their archives. Quite a few have. However Auntie owns the copyright to the creative material and is completely at liberty to exploit it. |
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Post by Richard Develyn on Aug 5, 2023 8:16:00 GMT
... Some of these guys wouldnt take a few hundred thousand pounds if you waved a suitcase of money in front of their noses - they would rather have the knowledge THEY have it & YOU dont. ... I mean, I hear you, and I do wonder whether this is really what's going on inside people's heads, thinking that doing something awful can make you special. It all sounds a bit bitter and twisted to me. I suppose this is the sort of sentiment that motivated the guy who shot John Lennon. Not only did he kill a man, he took away from the rest of the world someone who was very special. Who knows what John Lennon would have done had been alive to this day? I guess in killing him the killer felt he was special, because he denied us the pleasure of a wonderful and creative man. All a bit horrible, really, and certainly a sentiment that I would want to distance myself from, rather than imagine we were like-minded. Richard |
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Post by Richard Develyn on Aug 5, 2023 8:51:25 GMT
I would like to add as a corollary to the above that I think this somewhat psychotic behaviour is quite rare, and I rather suspect that our collectors are motivated by a feeling that they have something valuable and that people are trying to swindle them out of it.
If they think like that, then they won't see the legitimacy of humanitarian arguments such as we regularly pose here, because they will interpret them as a disingenuous attempt to wrest from their hands this valuable thing that they have.
Furthermore if in their hearts, they really want to keep it, then they will readily interpret humanitarian arguments as disingenuous.
All we can really do is wait for them to have a change of heart.
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Post by Ace St.John on Aug 5, 2023 14:56:55 GMT
... Some of these guys wouldnt take a few hundred thousand pounds if you waved a suitcase of money in front of their noses - they would rather have the knowledge THEY have it & YOU dont. ... I mean, I hear you, and I do wonder whether this is really what's going on inside people's heads, thinking that doing something awful can make you special. It all sounds a bit bitter and twisted to me. I suppose this is the sort of sentiment that motivated the guy who shot John Lennon. Not only did he kill a man, he took away from the rest of the world someone who was very special. Who knows what John Lennon would have done had been alive to this day? I guess in killing him the killer felt he was special, because he denied us the pleasure of a wonderful and creative man. All a bit horrible, really, and certainly a sentiment that I would want to distance myself from, rather than imagine we were like-minded. Richard Unless the killer was brainwashed by the C.I.A to carry out the killing. Okay sorry admin. ahem back on topic now . |
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Post by Patrick Coles on Aug 5, 2023 21:50:30 GMT
Assuming he was not brainwashed by the C.I.A. (which you can't 100% rule out !) I would say John Lennon's assassin was more just an insignificant 'nobody' who was desperate to be a 'somebody' making himself infamous as "the man who..." etc (tho' history has it appears rightfully largely forgotten him so it seems)
re private collectors, I don't think they are gleefully denying fans out of sheer malice but just probably have a large archive of works they have taken the trouble to obtain over time and understandably see as being their property which is true and we need to bear that in mind
- hopefully some might allow BBC to make copies of episodes they hold in the not too distant future but no one has any right to demand they do, and any 'annoyed' fans insulting / belittling such collectors by assuming their mindset are hardly likely to change their minds are they ?
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Post by Sue Butcher on Aug 6, 2023 2:06:08 GMT
Just a reminder that in the broad scheme of things hoarding old Doctor Who episodes isn't quite as evil as murder. Hoarding's more of a mental attitude to the world, one that's currently thought of as an illness and is under assault.
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Post by garygraham on Aug 6, 2023 10:18:47 GMT
Does Chris Perry mean he doesn't speak to them due to some sort of falling out?
On another note, people who have episodes may have had a bad experience in the past with individuals or companies. Over the years we've all read accounts of people who did.
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Post by jcoleman on Aug 6, 2023 12:57:37 GMT
Just a reminder that in the broad scheme of things hoarding old Doctor Who episodes isn't quite as evil as murder. Some people believe missing episodes are a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that.  |
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Post by simonashby on Aug 6, 2023 13:33:52 GMT
I wish collectors would just loan the missing episodes to the BBC so that HD scans and D3 copies can be made. That way the print can be returned to the collector and so the BBC has a copy in their archives. I can assure you that D3 copies will not be being made...! |
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Post by Richard Develyn on Aug 6, 2023 14:03:08 GMT
- hopefully some might allow BBC to make copies of episodes they hold in the not too distant future but no one has any right to demand they do, and any 'annoyed' fans insulting / belittling such collectors by assuming their mindset are hardly likely to change their minds are they ? Patrick The problem is, the "do nothing" option doesn't seem to be achieving much. All I can think of doing with people who are behaving entirely as they are entitled to do but regardless of the harm it is causing others is to try to appeal to their humanity. Daleks will always be Daleks but human beings, to quote the second doctor, will always be within reach of other human beings. And, from an entirely enlightened self-interest point of view, it is my sincere opinion that the more human you are, and the less Dalek you are, the happier a life you will lead. I think we achieve the greatest happiness when we are able to be totally open and honest about who we are and what we do, especially if these are the things that we have chosen to be and do, and receive, as a consequence, the love and admiration of our peers. You don't get there if you do selfish things that you have to be secretive about. Skeletons in closets aren't good. Richard |
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Post by awpeacock on Aug 6, 2023 14:51:24 GMT
Just a reminder that in the broad scheme of things hoarding old Doctor Who episodes isn't quite as evil as murder. Some people believe missing episodes are a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that. Football and science fiction in the same conversation ... what is this madness?!?  |
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Post by John Green on Aug 6, 2023 16:25:29 GMT
Archive TV is a game of two haves; the Haves and the Have-nots.
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I had visions of James Bond-esque espionage and subterfuge...
