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Post by Pete Morris on Aug 3, 2023 14:12:46 GMT
I would love to know the reason why the collectors Paul and Philip have negotiated with are choosing not to allow the BBC to make a copy. Some people just like having something unique.
"Thousands of people own Rolls-Royce cars. Hundreds of people own a Rembrandt. But only I can watch Power of the Daleks part 1. Chew on that, Elon Musk. I got something you'll never have. Who's the rich guy?"
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Post by Richard Develyn on Aug 3, 2023 14:52:59 GMT
I don't think Elon Musk would care very much :-)
And, actually, the thousands of people who will care are not particularly rich, and aren't involved in some sort of "mine is better than yours" race. Every time "you" watch Power of the Daleks part 1 the smug satisfaction you will be getting will be in denying perfectly ordinary nice men, women and children the pleasure of doing the same.
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Post by timmunton on Aug 3, 2023 15:02:29 GMT
Chris P has implied, over on facebook, that the missing Who episodes he knows about aren't neccessarily the same ones that Paul V, and Phil M know about:
Because he doesn't know which collectors they are aware of in this regard.
His exact words are:
"I don't talk to Mr Vanezis and Mr Morris so I don't know who they are referring to in their statements. But I do know who I am referring to. That's all I can say publicly."
So; the logic of that is:
They could be the same missing episodes or there could be some overlap, or they might be completely different ones.
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Post by John Wall on Aug 3, 2023 15:54:36 GMT
It’s those unknown unknowns!
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Post by John Green on Aug 3, 2023 16:26:55 GMT
Chris P has implied, over on facebook, that the missing Who episodes he knows about aren't neccessarily the same ones that Paul V, and Phil M know about: Because he doesn't know which collectors they are aware of in this regard. His exact words are: "I don't talk to Mr Vanezis and Mr Morris so I don't know who they are referring to in their statements. But I do know who I am referring to. That's all I can say publicly." So; the logic of that is: They could be the same missing episodes or there could be some overlap, or they might be completely different ones. They could try a bit of encoded comparison: "My Secret Collector has 14 consonants and 3 vowels in his name, whereas your has 11 consonants and only one vowel in his? Then they're different people!". |
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Post by John Wall on Aug 3, 2023 19:01:04 GMT
To some extent this is deja vu all over again but not everyone has been here a long time or read previous threads.
Auntie ain’t gonna pay for MEs. There are lots of reasons why.
If someone has a ME they could contact someone like PV and decide whether they want any publicity. If they want anonymity there’s only one person, PV, who knows and will keep quiet. No one is going to worry, everyone will just be putting the champagne on ice.
If a collector has a ME, which they may well have acquired entirely legitimately, as long as they don’t try to financially exploit the copyright material there’s nothing anyone can do. They can be the only person anywhere who can watch whatever episode they have, and stick varying numbers of digits up at the rest of us in the realms of the great unwashed they’re denying. That’s not the sort of attitude I hope anyone here would share, but it exists.
About the only thing we can hope for is a damascene conversion or that they make provision in their will for it to be returned.
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Post by michaelnorris on Aug 3, 2023 21:02:58 GMT
To some extent this is deja vu all over again but not everyone has been here a long time or read previous threads. Auntie ain’t gonna pay for MEs. There are lots of reasons why. If someone has a ME they could contact someone like PV and decide whether they want any publicity. If they want anonymity there’s only one person, PV, who knows and will keep quiet. No one is going to worry, everyone will just be putting the champagne on ice. If a collector has a ME, which they may well have acquired entirely legitimately, as long as they don’t try to financially exploit the copyright material there’s nothing anyone can do. They can be the only person anywhere who can watch whatever episode they have, and stick varying numbers of digits up at the rest of us in the realms of the great unwashed they’re denying. That’s not the sort of attitude I hope anyone here would share, but it exists. About the only thing we can hope for is a damascene conversion or that they make provision in their will for it to be returned. At this point we need a pinned thread of FAQs from this forum. Like "No the BBC isn't paying anyone to return episodes." "Yes we know some people have some, no we don't know who. No, it isn't likely they are returned anytime soon" etc, etc. A lot of these threads seem to end up back to the same questions and answers |
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Post by brandonm on Aug 3, 2023 21:07:47 GMT
Chris P has implied, over on facebook, that the missing Who episodes he knows about aren't neccessarily the same ones that Paul V, and Phil M know about: Because he doesn't know which collectors they are aware of in this regard. His exact words are: "I don't talk to Mr Vanezis and Mr Morris so I don't know who they are referring to in their statements. But I do know who I am referring to. That's all I can say publicly." So; the logic of that is: They could be the same missing episodes or there could be some overlap, or they might be completely different ones. They could try a bit of encoded comparison: "My Secret Collector has 14 consonants and 3 vowels in his name, whereas your has 11 consonants and only one vowel in his? Then they're different people!". Both of the collectors must be Welsh with names like that. |
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Post by John Wall on Aug 3, 2023 21:22:58 GMT
To some extent this is deja vu all over again but not everyone has been here a long time or read previous threads. Auntie ain’t gonna pay for MEs. There are lots of reasons why. If someone has a ME they could contact someone like PV and decide whether they want any publicity. If they want anonymity there’s only one person, PV, who knows and will keep quiet. No one is going to worry, everyone will just be putting the champagne on ice. If a collector has a ME, which they may well have acquired entirely legitimately, as long as they don’t try to financially exploit the copyright material there’s nothing anyone can do. They can be the only person anywhere who can watch whatever episode they have, and stick varying numbers of digits up at the rest of us in the realms of the great unwashed they’re denying. That’s not the sort of attitude I hope anyone here would share, but it exists. About the only thing we can hope for is a damascene conversion or that they make provision in their will for it to be returned. At this point we need a pinned thread of FAQs from this forum. Like "No the BBC isn't paying anyone to return episodes." "Yes we know some people have some, no we don't know who. No, it isn't likely they are returned anytime soon" etc, etc. A lot of these threads seem to end up back to the same questions and answers That would kill a few threads pdq! |
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Post by andyparting on Aug 4, 2023 14:06:51 GMT
With all due respect to our missing episode hunters, what was ever the point in the first place of announcing online or publically that these collectors have these episodes?
Now that the RT and the Independent are reporting this online, isn't there a risk that this will now turn into a 'media witch-hunt' to find and locate these collectors? And what will happen once they fear being tracked down? Will they destroy their films?
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Post by John Wall on Aug 4, 2023 14:56:55 GMT
With all due respect to our missing episode hunters, what was ever the point in the first place of announcing online or publically that these collectors have these episodes? Now that the RT and the Independent are reporting this online, isn't there a risk that this will now turn into a 'media witch-hunt' to find and locate these collectors? And what will happen once they fear being tracked down? Will they destroy their films? To some extent I agree. I can’t see anyone being “tracked down” as very few know their identity. |
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Post by awpeacock on Aug 4, 2023 15:05:24 GMT
With all due respect to our missing episode hunters, what was ever the point in the first place of announcing online or publically that these collectors have these episodes? Now that the RT and the Independent are reporting this online, isn't there a risk that this will now turn into a 'media witch-hunt' to find and locate these collectors? And what will happen once they fear being tracked down? Will they destroy their films? To some extent I agree. I can’t see anyone being “tracked down” as very few know their identity. It's one thing I've wondered - how did Paul, Philip and our new party find all these collectors? Unless they've willingly come forward and announced themselves (which begs the question why), there surely can't be any sort of paper trail or way for these guys to find them? Or multiple others would've done? |
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Post by awpeacock on Aug 4, 2023 15:11:15 GMT
To some extent I agree. I can’t see anyone being “tracked down” as very few know their identity. It's one thing I've wondered - how did Paul, Philip and our new party find all these collectors? Unless they've willingly come forward and announced themselves (which begs the question why), there surely can't be any sort of paper trail or way for these guys to find them? Or multiple others would've done? I'm not, by the way, asking for these secrets to be revealed... because obviously that would be a very bad thing. But... if it was that the collectors had come forward, then that is extremely good news because it suggests a willingness and a co-operation that would give an optimism that, come the time, these will be handed over. |
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Post by John Wall on Aug 4, 2023 16:06:28 GMT
To some extent I agree. I can’t see anyone being “tracked down” as very few know their identity. It's one thing I've wondered - how did Paul, Philip and our new party find all these collectors? Unless they've willingly come forward and announced themselves (which begs the question why), there surely can't be any sort of paper trail or way for these guys to find them? Or multiple others would've done? It seems to be standard operating practice to ask collectors if they have any DW. |
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Post by awpeacock on Aug 4, 2023 16:12:10 GMT
It's one thing I've wondered - how did Paul, Philip and our new party find all these collectors? Unless they've willingly come forward and announced themselves (which begs the question why), there surely can't be any sort of paper trail or way for these guys to find them? Or multiple others would've done? It seems to be standard operating practice to ask collectors if they have any DW. Well, that's not half as glamorous or exciting as what I'd hoped  I had visions of James Bond-esque espionage and subterfuge... |
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I had visions of James Bond-esque espionage and subterfuge...